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Mr. Odell is not wrong. Though, let's be real the tides turn and the minority end up influencing the outcome for the majority. We live in a world filled with distractions. People can't even agree on what washrooms to go in. Nostr will become mainstream, it's not a matter of if, but when.
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MOST PEOPLE DO NOT ACTUALLY WANT FREE SPEECH. MOST WANT THE OPINIONS THEY AGREE WITH TO ALWAYS BE THE LOUDEST. FEW WILL ACTUALLY PUSH TECH FORWARD THAT ENABLES FREEDOM FOR THOSE THAT THEY DISAGREE STRONGLY. FOCUS ON THE FEW. THE FEW WILL CHANGE THE WORLD.
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Freedom is the most important right of all. It comes with distasteful elements. Freedom of speech means you will hear things you don't want to. It seems to me, the younger generations (I'm a very old Gen X) have never had to face opposition. Non competitive sports at school, not having to learn how to deal with insults because no one is allowed to offend anyone! Fucking grow a pair, stop living in an echo chamber and get dirty in the mud of life. FREEDOM #FreeRoss #FreeSamourai
Yeah but businesses have the right not to go out of business, and free speech is, by and large, very bad for business. It's extremely hard to be in favour of the right of individuals to near-total free speech in commercial domains and also the right of businesses to make a profit. You can be in favour of near-total free speech in a charity/NGO/expensively-manifested-thought-experiment domain, that's cool.
Fair but I think it almost never costs more to censor than to allow. Humans like to be in spaces that other humans, either implicitly or explicitly, aren't allowed to enter. We'll gladly pay for that. And most humans also don't like labour, including the labour of having to create and maintain such spaces themselves (those that do are outliers). Humans love to outsource. Therefore, for an online business, setting rules drives revenue, and even if it costs more in absolute terms to censor this or that, those costs are offset by the gains in revenue from people willing to outsource the labour of curation.
You are exactly correct. The profitability of a platform is determined entirely by human choice. And one thing that can be counted on is that humans will choose platforms with prejudicial content filtering. A person can already host their own speech through individual effort alone. Similarly, indexing and filtering internet content can already be done through sole individual effort of those who would listen to that speech. In a way, we have perfect free speech on the modern internet already, even without needing to build new infrastructure. You can hardly be said to have a platform in the first place unless you some form of tyrannical filtering, in addition to hosting and sharing user content. My argument is that these services need not be mandatory. In fact, they SHOULD not be mandatory. I believe that given the importance of user choice, in a well designed platform, the tools to achieve cheap and perfect free speech would already be built in by default. I believe that to have a platform that does not at least have the option of allowing users to post or view any content is either putting in extra unnecessary effort in order to artificially block some uses of the platform, or the platform is ALREADY shooting themselves in the foot by not respecting user choice as much as it could be.
Ugh, free speech has never been a meaningful idea. It's always "I believe in freedom of speech! ...But I don't consider that to be speech." Or it's "I believe in freedom of speech! ...But not freedom from state consequences!" Or it's "I believe in freedom of speech! ...But not in people's freedom to listen to it." Unless your statements have three asterisks explaining EXACTLY what you mean, I can't claim to know your position. Tell me, may I shoot an innocent man in the chest in order to more effectively communicate to him what dying is like? What forms of communication are restricted?
Philosophy? Do you have any idea how many times I've been banned from a platform that supposedly supported free speech? How many times I've seen other people banned? Do you think the arguments I present are just thought experiments or positions I've made up? I have heard people making most of those points over and over again. "Adorable" implies I have something I could learn, but if you truly know that I am ignorant in something then what is this perspective that I am lacking huh? Do you have anything of substance behind you?
the few are mostly very neutral in the first place i have some fierce points on certain areas but i think the whole thing is you drift to the center of the compass if you honestly evaluate what is important i never understood either side because they were always so unrealistic, always missing the "and then"
the entire edifice of "hate speech" is an offense against civil society, it is literally fascism, to dictate to people what business they may do (as opposed to everyone is the government, as in communism) yet the whole western world has turned into literal nazi germany at this point
Remember: Benjamin Franklin was the OG shitposter in the US. The loudest voices are often the only ones that matter.
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MOST PEOPLE DO NOT ACTUALLY WANT FREE SPEECH. MOST WANT THE OPINIONS THEY AGREE WITH TO ALWAYS BE THE LOUDEST. FEW WILL ACTUALLY PUSH TECH FORWARD THAT ENABLES FREEDOM FOR THOSE THAT THEY DISAGREE STRONGLY. FOCUS ON THE FEW. THE FEW WILL CHANGE THE WORLD.
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