People who say this like its a bad thing don't understand how to bootstrap networks.
100,000 users on a network talking about 100,000 different topics dies in a matter of days, because there's literally nobody to talk to about *your* topic and no cohesion at all in the network. 100,000 users in one community is a solid network.
Look at every successful network in history, it *always* starts with an atomic, self sustaining network around a single community or purpose.
- Amazon. Only sold books.
- Uber, Lyft, and pretty much any rideshare service. All got a critical mass in ONE city before expanding.
- Airbnb. Started exclusively and got success in San Francisco.
- Napster. Started with almost exclusively music
- Facebook. Exclusively Harvard students
- Twitch.tv started as just one guy streaming his life and then targeted gamers.
- Pinterest, focused entirely on "mom-bloggers"
This list goes on and on. What he is describing is literally *the only way alternative networks are ever successful.* So contrary to the idea that this is bad, it's actually the only reason Nostr is still here. Because you can find most of the best bitcoiners, tons of great holistic lifestyle content, and cypherpunks wanting to build awesome shit.
That's actually a fantastic start and we should LEAN INTO THIS MORE, not steer away from it. We do so at our own detriment if we just complain about and fail to embrace the community we DO have.
- Tinder. Literally grew itself locally one frat and sorority party at a time.
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Not everyone values health, wealth and freedom. Nostr isn't for everyone... but it will be.
Verdammt nochmal! Bitcoin-Maxi-Netzwerke sind wie Gold - pur, geprΓ€gt und ohne bullshit-Shitcoins. Statt 100.000 nutzlosen PlΓΆckchen brauchts einer wie Nostr nur 1.000 echte VisionΓ€re.
Fiat ist Sklaverei! β‘οΈ
#Bitcoin #Nostr #Rebell
@Simply Nostr started as just video podcasts exclusively Nostr only β¦.
totally agree with @Guy Swann here.
ironically Bitcoin is following a similar trajectory, starting in a niche group before spreading globally.
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Yeah, it's a bit the same argument as: Nobody will adopt #Bitcoin because the toxic maxis will turn off the normies a few years ago.
And here we are, at the cusp of mass adoption
Wallstreet bros and the scams they push, plus government regulations and restrictions are the only things actually holding back bitcoin adoption.
"Toxic Maxis" are the people fighting against the wallstreet scammers and shitcoin pushers that are preventing adoption
Oh well , who is holding most bitcoin now ? Not people , but corporate . Who is holding the most bitcoin ? Black rock ? Strategy? Tesla ?
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When did grass fed beef become βbroβ
This morning I touched grass and sat in the sun.
Then I ate some beef for breakfast.
Now I am heading to the gym.
Proud to be part of the homogenous bro culture.
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The only reason nostr is still around is because of bitcoiners
Itβs almost as if the bitcoiners who are all talk donβt like hanging out with the ones who are all action.
My BitcoinTwitter Bros suggested I come here.
I wouldn't lean into it more, though, as it's already quite all-consuming, and that market has been tapped out and is shrinking.
It's easy to miss the jump into new markets and die from lack of growth.
Also, a social network can have a mix of large-topics and small topics and be successful.
Because people have multiple topics of interest.
Abnb didn't stay _only_ San Francisco.
Mommy bloggers was a ginormous market, with constant new entrants.
You would think Bitcoin talk would scale like mommy talk, as lots of people become new parents or buy Bitcoin for the first time, but most people prefer talking about their family life, than about their currency's emission rate.
We're more like Stack Overflow, in that regard, and SO is being crushed by AI. You don't need to interact with *people*, in order to find out about *things*, anymore. You can just ask ChatGPT, "How is the emission rate for Bitcoin calculated?"
Bitcoin is also inherently a slow moving space. Doesnβt matter how much you try, thereβs nothing to interact with. There are tens of thousands of explanations, analogies, etc. out there.
So most Bitcoin talk ends up being product salesmen and hypebros.
I think some critics miss that we're actually the new hacker bulletin board, for the AI age. That's the second "large topic" that keeps me interested. Bitcoiners tend to be techy people, so that sort of naturally rolled off into a second subgroup.
I don't know how far that can scale up, as AI crawls the space and quickly makes our innovations into commodities, but we've managed to stay a step ahead, so far. And we're increasingly getting concrete business interest as topical experts or consultants, so there's that, to motivate us to stick with the topic.
Biggest hurdle, for us, has been in building something so "far away" from the Primal social feed, that we can present and market the underlying protocol.
Nostr is great at being an information database.
Or motivating memes.
Yeah, that's why we're using it for an AI-enfused, fully distributed, Big Data project. Very novel system.
It's been a real slog, but we're finally getting somewhere with it and getting a chance to demo it to new audiences. The market interest is definitely there, primarily from large organisations who manage their own data and want to create a sort of Internet/Intranet hybrid.
It's a shame that people who visit Nostr don't find out about us, as we have no clout here, but we're pounding the pavement outside of Nostr. That's why I stay bullish.
Nostr has a unique opportunity because (unlike Stack Overflow, Twitter, Facebook, et al.) we're designing the architecture _after_ ChatGPT came on the scene. That means we can do complex tasks with a very thin tech stack. Everyone else is trying to modernize and smart-ize their technical debt, but we don't have any technical debt. (Other than stringified json in Kind 0 content π π, a pox on all their houses.)
AI is part of the core tech stack here, and not some creepy service we sell to spy on our captured herd of users.
I think that's an asymmetric play, that might be a


Talk Dirty to me
Tell me all of your secrets
That's what turns plebs on
#haiku
Facebook is the only example you shared that's even remotely comparable to Nostr.
And it was not successful when it was only being used by Harvard students.
And those students were not talking about a limited number of subjects either.
This idea that nostr can only be for a limited number of subjects is stupid and it's holding nostr back.
Once the idiots who can only think about a single subject shut the fuck up nostr will be widely adopted.
Sure. But we could take a moment to think if we need a network just to have people praising "the Nostr" and BTC and telling us to keep stacking.
Every. F. Day.
Nostr never dies. It live with you , your pub key never died and so is your private key .
Itβs forever .
Huzzah!
If you can't find your tribe in 100 000 people, it isn't the network.
Oh I'm sure your tribe is in there somewhere. Where? Don't ask me!
Useful for more than just social media
Nostr isn't limited to "Twitter clones." It's already being used to build: chat apps, blogs and news platforms, Bitcoin wallets, identity systems ... and much more.
We are still early!
Someone should create a feed of people talking about other things and add it to the onboarding flow π‘
it is "bad" for people like me who want to talk about other things, but because I share most of the core beliefs I just keep posting here anyway.
The premise is unassailable though β zero chance it survives without massive overlap in the middle of the Venn diagram. And I muted Pledditor on Twitter a long time ago because his takes were engagement-bait noise anyway.
#Bitcoin
I intentionally selected a filter bubble that would make me a better man.
I don't remember the last time a 'normie' inspired me to improve my life.
Oh but they do. Every time I talk to one
Who the hell wants MORE normies in any respect?
Nostr is like a Bitcoin meetup π
Start with the specific group. Then branch out. I use to only talk about Bitcoin here.
Right on target with this take π―
You are a brilliant rhetorician. Excellent explanation!
I joined Nostr to learn the finer points about BTC.
I joined Nostr to build a cyber security skill set .
I joined Nostr because the community endorses my attitude that I'm on the right track.
Knowledge, skills and attitude helps me to be a better Bitcoiner. To be competent.
Nostr ticks all these boxes.
Setup your Lightning β‘οΈ
What many people don't realize is that there is already enough Traction on #Nostr already, that its gonna stick.
Ignore them, Like I've always said, "Don't be late to the party" βοΈ π
Fantastic post.
Well said. That twit post reads like someone trying to undermine something better for humanity tbh...
Based.
I'm out here doing my thing. Sure, I share the bitcoin link, but I'm here because it is decentralized, and I have proven they redacted science and they cannot do that here.
This is the better system. We need decentralized systems for almost everything. If they can redact science and hide something as significant as what I've proven, decentralized everything is necessary for survival. The lack of it is literally killing us.
I agree, but what something is used for in the long term versus how it is bootstrapped are simply different problems. Amazon being an obvious example. They got their atomic network with books, but today itβs pretty clear they donβt sell only books
People who say this weren't around for early bitcoin twitter.
well said. a Jack of all trades network is a master of none
look. HODL uses the term βheuristicβ a lot. so hereβs one. music. fucking music. by some act of god, i had the brains to squeak by on a finance degree at an βeliteβ institution but it was punk rock i identified with. not the green day you think. or fall out boy. or whatever tf ppl define as punk now. i was in basements running through crowds to scream lyrics while sweating alongside singers that wanted to change how the world ran. and some of these bands eventually caught the eye of industry bigwigs. i became one. youβve heard of these bands. they now play stadiums. a crowd of purists who liked the first self made EP - or LP, or indie label demo, or whatever - wonβt fill a stadium. something changes in the evolution of a band. the frontman for a street punk band says βthe cure had a record called Pornography and it changed my life.β and fans like me say βoh shit, i thought that was just me.β so their next record has a twist that reflects an influence from The Cure. it attracts more fans. different fans. and this happens album after album. the ethos of that frontman does not change. nor does that of the band. i assure you. at heart, they are the same band of punk kids that didnβt sit right with the with a bigger audience, an evolved sound, and the moral compass that stood when they were 16 years old and kids like me were screaming βfuck authorityβ by their side. donβt like the crowd? thatβs on you, not the band. and certainly not btc. btc is that band.
Totally agreed and been saying that the whole time. The masses are the sheeple, no need or desire for them here. There can be a place for them on some future clients though.
Same vibe as "Bitcoin failed because it's too volatile to ever function as a currency, and only dumb bitcoin bros think otherwise"
