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I don't like massive influx of illegal immigrants but when I see feds disarming a man who was exercising his 1st and 2nd amendment and then shooting him 9 times I don't like the direction we are heading. That is tyranny. If it was Biden Fed's doing that to Kyle Rittenhouse, there would have been a few thousand men open carring automatic rifles at the next set of protests. The government accrues power along partisan lines but when the line switches they don't rescind those powers. Trump is exercising the power to execute US citizens for protesting. When the President changes that precedent will stand. Obama didn't roll back any of Bush's overreaches despite his crows against it while senator. If an extremist Dem takes over next, they will start issuing executive orders and ignoring courts, fulfilling every liberals wet dreams. They will send armed agents in to gun down protestors. The enemy is always the state. The US Republic was formed in part as an idea on how to limit the States power. The State has fought long and hard against our founding documents and little by little has been eroding the principles that once guided our nation. There are more effective ways to tackle illegals. They could raid every major hotel and farm. They could halt all remittances or put exorbitant taxes on them. This would cause massive pain to the immigrant community. The US government has emmense power at it's disposal. They decided to use that power for spectacle and to own the libs.

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Wrestling with feds with your Sig P320 while they conduct standard, legal, and popular deportations is not a Constitutional right. Are you aware that the American people voted for mass deportations and that these "protestors" are being funded and organized using the Bolshevik color revolution playbook? Stop pretending this isn't obvious to everyone. This is not Americans exercising their freedoms, it's communists exploiting the Constitution to try and fell out nation. Are you American?
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He committed a felony. Resisted arrest. The gun went off. He made choices and were killed for those choices. He's not magically absolved of his decisions because you want to bend reality so you can have sympathy for him. Those agents have the same right to defend themselves as you do. Here are a series of quotes from a self defense attorney on the subject you probably won't read or will ignore because it doesn't jive with your hormonal makeup: - "The moment he makes contact with that officer, he's just committed a federal felony good for eight years in a federal penitentiary." - "That's why they were seeking to make his arrest because they saw him commit a forcible felony against a fellow officer." - "Then he's noncompliant with arrest. He's fighting them. Then they discover he has a gun..." - "They take that gun. There are cries of 'gun, gun, gun.' The officers called to each other. He's still noncompliant. They hear a gunshot go off. And Alex Pretty's right hand comes from his waistline with a black object in his hand." - "That combination of facts is going to get you shot 999 times out of a thousand by law enforcement, and justifiably so." "They're making all these perceptions, all these decisions in a violent, chaotic melee caused by Alex Pretti." "They have to make all these decisions in a split second because that's how quickly someone can use a weapon against you, and those decisions." "They don't have to be correct. The law of self-defense does not require us to make perfect decisions..."
This is a exactly my position. The executive branch of government has taken more and more power since the 1971. The Anti-Federalists were right. The Bill of Rights doesn't mean much after 55 years of presidental power grabs. It's not just one person that was executed. The second amendment was supposed to prevent a standing army by establishing a well regulated militia. There is a standing army in the streets fighting US Citizens addressing their grievances. Are the protesters unsophisticated, naive, and dumb? Yes, but that does not justify death without due process.
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Don’t impede ICE from doing their jobs, don’t fight ICE, don’t bring gun to a protest, don’t ram ICE with your car or you will FAFO. Why do you think you have a right to do any of these without suffering any consequences? Are we a society of laws or anarchists?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, IT IS THEIR RIGHT, IT IS THEIR DUTY, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
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Small aside, ICE are actually the more reasonable of the two agencies tackling immigration. In most cases it has been the CBP agents, under the direction of Gregory Bovino, who have been acting out of control. Trump has reacted to this situation and ordered Bovino to stand down in Minnesota, allowing Tom Homan to take over the operation. Homan is no softie when it comes to immigration enforcement but unlike Bovino and Steven Miller, he would rather focus on criminal illegals. He is also more cognizant of how to balance public opinion vs the actions of the Government.
Total surveillance, cameras everywhere, spy satellites, massive AI to plan removal of whoever, whenever and we have to have idiots in masks killing peeps instead? The State will never fixes anything, everything they do is just self serving propaganda to justify more bureaucracy and control.