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I'll be paying for your work just like I'll be paying Janet Yellen to dance at my next birthday party.

People are more generous with things they got for free than scarce assets they had to work their ass off for.

I think we need to say goodbye to our believe that "Bitcoiners" are principled freedom lovers and supportive of others. Many are, but most are in for personal egoistic reasons only. The "never spend" BTC narrative is the most backward.

I think one reason for the lack of support for the samourai team is because a lot of people don't like them. From what I have heard, the samourai team were assholes and they were drawing a lot of unnecessary attention to themselves. They were marketing their service as a way to navigate around government sanctions. I'm not saying they deserve what happened to them by any means. They did not. But you need to be smarter than that. This world isn't free and the freedoms we were taught that America stood for is simply a lie. The government made an example out of them and showed the world that this isn't about justice at all. It's about keeping people afraid and in line. I also think bitcoiner actions are more aligned with their beliefs than shitcoiners. Many bitcoiners are true anarchists who know that the government and all their courts are just smoke and mirrors. Shitcoiners need the government to play nice with them. Bitcoiners do not. Why would an anarchist ever try to gain freedom through a court that he doesn't perceive to be legitimate? Why would an anarchist pay a lawyer to try and free someone when he doesn't recognize their authority at all? The truth is that there is no real justice in these courts. Samourai had no speedy trial. They didn't have any clear violations of the law. They didn't actually custody any of the money. They were arrested before the prosecutors even finished building a case against them. Trying to free them by bending the knee and engaging in their bullshit lawyer spectacles is not how you gain freedom. The founding fathers didn't gain their freedom by arguing for it in rigged British courts. Freedom is not won that way. And the system is rigged. We know this. What happened to Ross Ulbricht is proof of that. What is happening with the Epstein files is proof of that. The prison sentence that Larken Rose received is proof of that. The prison sentence that Irwin Schiff received is proof of that. How much more evidence do people need before they stop wasting their time on these courts? This trial is not about justice or convicting criminals. It's about punishing people who are undermining the power of the government and the trials are just a show intended to maintain a pretense of fairness. That is the sole reason why courts exist. It's not about justice but making you think there is justice and that you need government to ensure justice prevails. The government can and does make examples out of the loud people who bring a lot of attention to themselves. The people trying to disrupt the system. Again, not saying they deserve what happened but asking me to pay lawyers to play a silly game of arguing about trivialities like what constitutes custody is not a good use of time or money. Is code speech? Is it a weapon? Is bitcoin protected under the first or second amendment? Wtf are these retarded arguments? Mental gymnastics is not how you become free. Americans don't know what it means to be American or free anymore. Finally, and most importantly, you can't beat the courts because it is tilted in their favor. The judge literally cannot be impartial when the state pays his salary. This fact alone makes everything that the court does unjust. And a jury of your peers who were coerced into being a jury is not justice either. A jury can't ensure justice when their basic human rights are being violated through coercive force. A jury that doesn't want to be in the court is not who I want to determine the fate of my freedom. Freedom isn't won this way. It never was and it never will be. This is just my best guess as to why bitcoiners are different. You may disagree with me, but I don't think any massive changes will be made through fraudulent kangaroo courts. And I have a hunch that after covering all this, you probably think the same. Should I waste my money on a lost cause? I don't think so. You are one of the few people on nostr that I consistently zap. It's because I appreciate your work and find it very valuable to keep up to date with the crimes that are being committed by this "justice system." But I sadly don't think any of this will change anything and I believe it is a mistake to think that paying more money to lawyers is what will free samourai. This whole case was fucked from the beginning and there is nothing the lawyers could do to change that except just waste more time while the samouai team rots in jail. They have already been locked up for far too long and the damage has already been done. The courts succeeded in what they intended to do all along: scare developers.

This strikes me as observably true. And yes, sad. "The only way I can explain this to myself is that there seems to be an issue with the general mentality of trying to keep your bitcoin to yourself, which results in a significant lack of support for others - and it makes me really sad." View quoted note →

Could the arrest been avoided if Roman Storm stayed actually anon?

The hodl mentality is retarded

Congrats on the grant. It's ok to work shitcoin related stuff, but I don't think you need to combine it with attempted bitcoin shaming. Every time someone tries to say that there isn't enough bitcoin spending going on, it's like, who are you even talking to? This is nostr. As far as I can tell, we're at the forefront of V4V with bitcoin. To anyone who is actually on the bitcoin standard, all they hear is "you have money, I don't, you should give me yours". Just like atlas shrugged. Maybe you need to stop hanging out with the "orange tie suits" so much. I don't see bitcoin through this lens at all. I also never really hated shitcoins, they're doing their thing, that's great, maybe something good comes out of it, maybe not. Twitter is the only reason everyone 'went to war' over this stuff in the first place afaict, just influencoors obeying the algos to popularize being toxic to each other. Again, congrats. I enjoy your takes for the most part and think it's cool that there are real journalists covering this stuff.

Bullshit.

This is surprising to me. My experience with bitcoiners is that they tend be very generous, with the notable exception of MSTR and penny stock promoters. With your ETH donations, were they all from wealthy holders or the Ethereum Foundation? That would speak less to the culture within Ethereum community itself and more to the fact that those with the biggest pre-mined bags feared the Tornado Cash trial would become an existential threat to Ethereum's existence.

Shiitcoin cabal is paying for propaganda. How sweet.

Interesting. Thinking about this, we've also received more support via Ethereum than Bitcoin. Would love it if this was switched, but we'll take what we can get.

Fair critique, lot of room for improvement in bitcoin community space

To be fair it’s probably a little easier to give away money when it’s airdropped than money you actually work for

I believe this, its tough for me to sell my Bitcoin even now when i do contribute to outlets like the rage, i just Strike and send fiat on btc rails

Preach!

HODLing has gone to cringe territory. Let the Sats flow.

People give you ETH because it’s worthless and they know it 🤣

It could also be that the Samurai guys were kinda dicks. They also (apparently) have a large personal stash. If someone has over 100 or 1000 bitcoin it makes donating more difficult. I agree that bitcoiners can do a lot better in this area.

The difference is Ethereum and other centralized projects have lots of venture capital funds. The money printer flows to things that can provide exit liquidity and some of that makes it into donations.

I hope we will never need a #freekevin campaign, for running my humble coordinator service

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I think most actual Bitcoiners already know the government is shit. Bitcoiners understand what values them. We pay for our own values. Bitcoiners would more likely pay to see documentaries in person after it’s already made. At Bitcoin conferences around the world. I would! My company would most likely sponsor the showing. I would love to see a production of the samurai story.

The Ethereum foundation didn’t buy their Ethereum they allocated it to themselves in a premine

I try to contact fedpol.

I respectfully disagree with this take. I've done more than 400 livestreams over two years all focused on growing Bitcoin adoption and helping Bitcoiners protect their sats The entire journey has been funded by the community. We have no sponsors and have no plans of changing that. I believe that maintaining one's voice - without influence of sponsors - is most important in this space. There are a ton of INCREDIBLY generous and supportive Bitcoiners out there. The community has allowed me to wake up every day and talk about Bitcoin. Could it be better? Of course. I feel like I should have 100,000 viewers on the livestreams every morning - strictly because of how exciting and important Bitcoin is. God bless all the people who have and continue to support the channel. You know who you are - and I would not be here without you 🧡

Hit piece lady taking money from shitcoiners and VCs, while attacking guys like Luke and Mechanic, then crying Bitcoiners don’t help enough with the defence costs of other shitcoin devs and privacy larpers like the Samourai crew. It really makes no sense, why would these toxic Bitcoiners be so unwilling to help? View quoted note →

Hard Money is a winner take all game. The bar to give some of it away is much higher than petty losers like you can currently create things. Keep working, we pay for things we value, maybe you’ll create something we value one day. We won’t be shamed into giving up Bitcoin though.

Bitcoin is valuable. Sending other shitcoins is obviously a better idea.

Gresham’s law in action.

Congratulations, you have just killed off the support you did have from Nostriches. It's nobody's responsibility to zap you or to support anything, it nice to help others but you are sounding really entitled here.

I’d spend the trash too. It’s Gresham’s law pal.

maybe you just aren't as valuable as you think, shitcoiners necessarily are not able to judge value

The author of the Luke Dashjr hit piece now thinks it's time we start taking care of each other in this space. GFY.

while you seem to be doing important and quality work, it's a bit hard to expect people to send money as support when it's not clear what or who the money funds. You want donations, you need to display transparency, governance and accountability. ETH foundation giving you shitcoins is on the same level as some billionnaire giving to a charity money that evaded tax and will be used to deduce yet more tax --> an absurd cynical move, stealing from the mass to appear generous and morally righteous

It’s always been know that you’re shitcoiner! Idk why the f bitcoiners even supported you! Adios 👋

The amount of negative comments in this thread with GFY and blaming for "shitcoining" is a sign of deep brain rot. It's one thing to caution newbies about buying alts. It's a completely different thing to believe that only btc is money, while denying reality of alts being used as money, including in donations/investments in our own social layer - journalists, lobbyists, human rights activists. The former is wise, the later is idiotic.

It's called Gresham's law, retard.

Curious what @ODELL and @Marty Bent think about this. Where is the voice of reason in a world gone mad?

It may have something to do with the fact that you can't print sats out of thin air. And that their is no Bitcoin Foundation to pay people with primined scam. Only individuals trying their best. Just saying.

It’s a lot easier to give away money when you print it out of thin air… Ethereum foundation loves giving away their pre mined shitcoin

It is time to accept nowadays BTC is for little girls simping up to Saylor and the OGs are all in Monero.

Interesting, thanks for sharing. Thinking past the proximate cause, I wonder if the fiat-like unlimited supply of something (like ETH) makes people more likely to spend to support causes they are interested in?

Congrats on the grant @npub1mznw...6mak!

Really sad? Liar.

Wokecoiners. Some bitcoiners like to echo "stay humble" and love to front the prophecy about the Bitcoin economy and the Bitcoin standart but that's just virtue signaling to the group, masking their private intentions. Uuh you said the right thing, you got the zaps, the likes, you're a big boy bitcoiner now! Watch the same people turn on each other and act like entitled brats and bitches immediately after when somebody argues for a different bitcoin implementation. You won the game of Bitcoin, you lost in life, wokecoiner. I love my corn and I couldn't care less what the rest of you think. I do this for my own benefit. If Bitcoin's game theory lured me in by that desire and uses me to benefit others, that's just a testimony to why I love Bitcoin. It outsmarts me and my personal F, U & D with fairness and stoicism. Well played. Still: Bitcoin is not an identity. Bitcoiners who only talk bitcoin suck balls. View quoted note →

Mission creep is the first subversion of community.

Bitcoin maxis are not cypherpunk and are not market participants writ large. HODLing is a strategy for retards.