I have been seeing some claims that "Bitcoin Knots is part of the Bitcoin Core project", that "Bitcoin Knots is just another release of Bitcoin Core", and that "Bitcoin Knots has more contributors than Bitcoin Core".
Bitcoin Core has about 40 regular contributors with over a thousand past contributors. The Bitcoin Core project releases its software on bitcoincore.org. Bitcoin Core releases are signed by several Bitcoin Core contributors and other community members. Releases are attested to by this community.
Bitcoin Core’s source code is released under the MIT License. The MIT License is a permissive open-source license permitting anyone to do almost anything with the licensed code.
Bitcoin Knots is a project fork of Bitcoin Core. Bitcoin Knots appears to be developed by a single developer pushing directly to master without peer review. Bitcoin Knots releases are composed of Bitcoin Core’s source code modified with a patch set of about 1400 commits. The same individual unilaterally issues releases. There is no indication that anyone else has ever contributed code or review directly to Bitcoin Knots. Bitcoin Knots is not endorsed by the Bitcoin Core project.
Claims to the contrary appear to be based on a unique individual perception of reality.
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"Bitcoin Knots has more contributors than Bitcoin Core"
Since Knots is a fork of Core, this is just so by definition.
It looks to me as if you mean to imply someone claimed that Knots has more 'maintainers'; but realized that would have been too obvious of a strawman.
Many people have claimed that though.
No, people contributing to the upstream project are part of the process in the upstream project. Their review also benefits the downstream project as their code contributions are released with the downstairs project, but they are not participating in the downstream project's process.
Your restarting it like this makes me think that the distinction is not clearly understood.
*restating
Are you contributing for a monetary revolution or sth else? Where are strong characters who oppose the Todds and Lopps within Core?🤔
Liar
wrong. unfortunately is true
What did he say that was untrue?
This particular issue has been discussed ad nauseam and yet there is so little trust in Bitcoin Core, Bitcoin Knots continues to be downloaded by the plebs.
The plebs need to step up and fund more Knots development. I believe @npub10pen...n34f is already pushing this initiative.
It seems so even if that one person from knots is very competent we can't afford to trust a single individual (even if he is among the best and most competent that can be found around) 🤷♂️
When Rome was an empire, the saying was qui bono? Who benefits?
Who benefits when spam is forced on the nodes by your altruistic devs? I’ll stick with the one developer whose interests align with Satoshi’s vision, a monetary network.
Thanks. I’m running knots.
All those Core maintainers. All those eyes. Yet it took someone outside the club to call out what was happening. Changes were being made without community input. People raising questions were being silenced or banned. They won’t censor spam, but they’ll censor dissent.
This isn’t about OP_RETURN. It’s about behavior. About acting like Core is Bitcoin, instead of Bitcoin being the people. One person can slip in changes while everyone else stays quiet, and we’re told to trust the process. That’s not decentralization. That’s capture with better PR.
Luke is technically part of the club, but yeah it's about behaviour for sure.
Government has way more employees than any bitcoin project, so we should trust the US dollar over Bitcoin. 🤡
I would still rather trust this one person who appears to understand what bitcoin is for and what makes it unique, than a group who appears to have been compromised, either ideologically or financially, to introduce a change that is clearly against the long term interests of bitcoin.
I'd prefer to use core, but the current devs involved decided to force through a change I don't agree with. Knots is the only alternative available.
That is your right, but you also have to be realistic in sensing how successful knots will be if the contribution structure stays the same.
Good points. Even if you agree with knots, a single developer pushing to master and issuing releases with no review is insane. I don’t want to completely trust one guy.
The Bitcoin software doesn’t auto-update. If Knots ever goes rogue, we’ll move on from that too. This isn’t about picking a winner. It’s about refusing to pretend we have real choice when that choice is being shaped behind closed doors.
Right now, there are more eyes on Knots than ever. Any funny business would be spotted. What’s concerning is that Core has started censoring people when conflicts of interest are pointed out. They say we have choice. But everything that has been said so far points to the illusion of it.
The issue is who's inspecting the code to date?
It's not like knots is a brand new project with just one or two minor differences to core.
I've been playing with the idea of running knots for over a year now - I just wish there were more reviews of the code differences I could reference.
Yes solo maintainer.
And i appreciate luke for his work.
But this has been the main concern for years.
And i hear libre is trash gonna give it a go on secondary node
Exactly, you don’t need to trust 1 guy because you don’t have to update
Even if there was one maintainer, but multiple code reviews that were publicly published - that would be a major step as moving forward towards OSS peer review is the only way we can reasonably look at knots as a real option.
One-man forks in Bitcoin? Just crypto's version of a dictatorship. Stick with the community chaos. ⛏️
Forks? Where? Maybe in the git use of the word but not the bitcoin version
tl;dr
Bitcoin Knots code review be like:


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Why don’t we have more options?
Isn’t knots like 99% core with just a few extra/changed lines of code? Also with it being open source isn’t it likely that it’s been reviewed by many people at home?
Oofff my bad I didn’t realize there was more to post. What else has he changed in the code if all he did was mod filters?
Interesting read, I haven’t checked but heard they are 99% the same, what is the difference between knots and core then?
About 28,000 differing lines of code across 550 files and 1400 commits
Wow, is it easy to outline the main differences or not? I am running knots now but it is really hard as a non-coder to know what to do essentially you’re just taking sides where you can’t verify the truth yourself
For context, Bitcoin Core has something like 240'000 lines of c++ code.
I don't intend to take the time to go through someone of that magnitude, but if you want to take a look, here's the diff: 
GitHub
Comparing bitcoin:28.x...bitcoinknots:28.x-knots · bitcoin/bitcoin
Bitcoin Core integration/staging tree. Contribute to bitcoin/bitcoin development by creating an account on GitHub.
Thanks, appreciate it
Tried to zap you, but you didn’t have a wallet set up
True, and why we are here ?
Because Knots seems to suit better nodes values, not core.
Solution : listen also nodes owners and try to be "open" to some knots argues.
And stop saying everybody are wrong we have the ultimate truth.
There is no smoke without fire.
#btc4ever
I like running knots!
Now go diff the consensus code in core and knots and post the results
Please add a Lightning wallet; I can’t zap this ⚡️
Jury is out on this one… but collectivism isn’t a path to freedom. Spam sounds like a bad idea. 👎
You go to war with the army you have, not the army you’d like.
And yet knots adoption is growing rapidly. This would suggest a problem or distrust with core, despite your arguments. Logical reasoning is fine, but it's only a small part of the real world.
Yes distrust is growing because it's easy to politicize an issue most of the people really don't know anything about.
Exactly. As bitcoin grows it's only going to get more heated I think. The ratio of devs to non-devs will get much smaller, making it even harder to gain social concensus
This could be a good thing. Martin Luther was the solo dissenting voice against the Catholic Church at the time, and single handedly started the Reformation. I guess time will tell.
The closest person to Martin Luther in bitcoin is Roger Ver.
Thats funny
"More devs means higher quality dickbutt database, knots only has one dev"
Bitcoin does its own thing. Bitcoin doesn’t care.
I will not let rubbish in my node, running Knots… Bitcoin is for accounting, not VMs and JPEG…
the beauty of freedom is bitcoin allow crap too. otherwise how would feel with cbdc if governments says : i will not allow you to do xyz with my money
Good read.
One of the reasons why I haven't rushed to make Libre Relay easier to install, e.g. with binary releases, step-by-step docs, etc. is that it's just a one man proof-of-concept/experiment and people probably shouldn't be running it on a big scale.
If it were to be widely used, I'd want more eyes on it first. And really, Core is perfectly goodfor 99% of users.
I have been seeing some claims that "Bitcoin Knots is part of the Bitcoin Core project", that "Bitcoin Knots is just another release of Bitcoin Core", and that "Bitcoin Knots has more contributors than Bitcoin Core".
Bitcoin Core has about 40 regular contributors with over a thousand past contributors. The Bitcoin Core project releases its software on bitcoincore.org. Bitcoin Core releases are signed by several Bitcoin Core contributors and other community members. Releases are attested to by this community.
Bitcoin Core’s source code is released under the MIT License. The MIT License is a permissive open-source license permitting anyone to do almost anything with the licensed code.
Bitcoin Knots is a project fork of Bitcoin Core. Bitcoin Knots appears to be developed by a single developer pushing directly to master without peer review. Bitcoin Knots releases are composed of Bitcoin Core’s source code modified with a patch set of about 1400 commits. The same individual unilaterally issues releases. There is no indication that anyone else has ever contributed code or review directly to Bitcoin Knots. Bitcoin Knots is not endorsed by the Bitcoin Core project.
Claims to the contrary appear to be based on a unique individual perception of reality.
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An interesting thread follows this one:
I have been seeing some claims that "Bitcoin Knots is part of the Bitcoin Core project", that "Bitcoin Knots is just another release of Bitcoin Core", and that "Bitcoin Knots has more contributors than Bitcoin Core".
Bitcoin Core has about 40 regular contributors with over a thousand past contributors. The Bitcoin Core project releases its software on bitcoincore.org. Bitcoin Core releases are signed by several Bitcoin Core contributors and other community members. Releases are attested to by this community.
Bitcoin Core’s source code is released under the MIT License. The MIT License is a permissive open-source license permitting anyone to do almost anything with the licensed code.
Bitcoin Knots is a project fork of Bitcoin Core. Bitcoin Knots appears to be developed by a single developer pushing directly to master without peer review. Bitcoin Knots releases are composed of Bitcoin Core’s source code modified with a patch set of about 1400 commits. The same individual unilaterally issues releases. There is no indication that anyone else has ever contributed code or review directly to Bitcoin Knots. Bitcoin Knots is not endorsed by the Bitcoin Core project.
Claims to the contrary appear to be based on a unique individual perception of reality.
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Booooooooooooooo! I would throw a tomato at you if I could!
Okay, what for? For informing people about the options they're choosing from?
And yet knots has the same amount of people running it as are running core v29. Bitcoiners are built to go all the way out on the risk curve if they believe in something.
I have been seeing some claims that “Bitcoin is part of the modern financial system,” that “Bitcoin is just another form of currency like the dollar,” and that “Bitcoin has more decentralization than the dollar.”
The U.S. dollar is managed by the Federal Reserve System, with its 12 regional banks and a Board of Governors consisting of 7 members, alongside thousands of Treasury employees as historical contributors. The dollar’s operations are published on federalreserve.gov and treasury.gov. Dollar issuances are authorized by the Federal Open Market Committee, consisting of the Board of Governors and select regional bank presidents, with oversight from Congress and other federal entities. Releases of new currency or economic data are reviewed and endorsed by this authoritative community.
The dollar’s framework operates under the full faith and credit of the U.S. government, as a fiat currency governed by federal law since the gold standard ended in 1971. Bitcoin is a decentralized offshoot of traditional currency systems, launched by an anonymous entity known as Satoshi Nakamoto. Bitcoin appears to be maintained by a sprawling, uncoordinated network of miners and developers, pushing changes to its blockchain without centralized oversight. Bitcoin’s blockchain consists of the original decentralized ledger modified with a sprawling set of over 900,000 blocks as of May 2025. This same leaderless consensus mechanism issues new blocks and transactions. There is no indication that any established authority has ever contributed oversight or stability directly to Bitcoin. Bitcoin is not endorsed by the Federal Reserve or the Treasury.
So, let’s set the record straight: the dollar, with its centralized, accountable management, clearly outshines Bitcoin’s haphazard, unendorsed experiment.
@jack @npub1j5mp...sd5c @Bitcoin Mechanic
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