MEREDITH WHITTAKER - PRESIDENT OF SIGNAL FOUNDATION - JULY 3 2023
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Argh no lightning support
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Wish they would let her fucking talk
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Governments have existing laws in place to mitigate child sexploitation and to put pedophiles in prison but they don't want to stop it, they want to participate in it, control it, and monetize it. Epstein proved it.
shes absolutely fantastic
This man is despicable. UK is cucked.
Time is a flat circle.


So true. How long did we not see this?
Got anything in a Climate Emergency color? Maybe end of world warning themed paper?
Andreas Antonopolous gave a GREAT talk about this subject when talking about using financial freedom to do more good than harm due to the assymetry of evil. He gave that talk in Zurich.
He basically said that in the 1920s, when the restriction of free speech was being debated that a judge basically said "the answer to bad speech is MORE free speech" (paraphrased).
That is due to the "assymetry of evil" : there are more people in the world wanting to do good with speech than do evil and hence they will flood the bad speech actors with their good free speech.
I hope we haven't forgotten that. In the 1920s they managed to stave off the attack on free speech. It would be sad that in the 2020s it were successful...
here IS that talk - i have bookmarked it at 11:15 but this often gets ignored in embedded videos, so manually jump there.
OR listen to the whole thing, it's great!!
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Mobius Strips Said β¦.
"Stop Bad Weather" paper.
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I stopped on: " Do you investigate user accounts?"
Unbeliavable!
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Thanks for sharing this!
π©΅ Signal π©΅
This woman is my hero wow, she is so cleaver and her answers are so well said and to the point.
Now do how the NSA hacked Tucker Carlson's Signal. Switch to SimpleX.
THEY LIKELY HACKED HIS PHONE OR THE PERSON HE WAS TALKING TO.
THIS GIVES THEM ACCESS TO EVERYTHING ON THE PHONE. INCLUDING SIMPLEX MESSAGES.
Not really. Simple access to an SMS text to login from any other device. (which they have)
THAT IS NOT HOW SIGNAL WORKS.
THERE ARE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE TO MITIGATE SIM SWAPS.
PEGASUS MALWARE OR SOMETHING SIMILAR IS UNFORTUNATELY WIDESPREAD AND THE LIKELY CULPRIT HERE.
I'm wary of anything that requires a phone number.
BE WARY OF ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES A PHONE.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/russias-fsb-says-us-nsa-penetrated-thousands-apple-phones-spy-plot-2023-06-01/
Gm
yes
Freedom tech is hope π«‘
Big Tech Evil, Governments Good. FFS
We are all evil and good. All of us, all the time.
Nobody is above anybody else, nobody gets to tell anybody else what to do.
If somebody harms somebody else, allow society to punish that.
Don't go creating tools to watch everybody all the time, in case somebody is doing something they shouldn't some of the time.
Amazing lady. Flag bearer for freedom.
I can't bear to watch those scum. Maybe we need to turn the top lobster loose on Cathy again.
*anxiety is back*
*yay*
This lady is SHARP.
You misspelled a socialist state agent
I think we watched different interviews.
this conversation makes me want to rip my hairs out
Bank robbers: enter bank
Bank robbers: Rob bank
Bank robbers: enter a 2023 GMC Sierra white 4*4 and speed away from authorities to safety
Regulators: contact GMC "what are you doing to ensure your vehicles are not use for illegal activities"
The government has already done that. By 2026 all new cars must come equipped with back door βkill switchesβ
Dear god, I don't know how I'd have made it through this without slapping that dude.
He is either profoundly naive, or just completely full of shit. The idea that the bill "doesn't need to say what you can't do," is the dumbest shit imaginable. That's literally EXACTLY what the bill should fucking do.
Haha! Exactly.
We dont need the bill of rights to specify what the government can't do.
Yeah he was cringe.
His position reminds me of a negotiation I had with a relatively well known bitcoin VC fund* in 2022. We agreed over the course of several months in the βdatingβ phase but when the term sheet started to take shape all the βagreedβ terms were substituted with VC standards that fuck over the entrepreneur.
When they tell you the contract language / regulatory language doesnβt matter, thatβs precisely when it REALLY matters.
*Not Ten31
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what a absolute knob that man is
Ok is Meredith Whittaker on here because damn she knocked this one right out of the park π₯
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They are so hungry for our super secret communications π
08:25 - She says they absolutely investigate Signal accounts when warranted. I wonder how they can do it if there's no backdoor already.
i understood that as they investigate on what they have (phone number + evidence provided by police)
they have IP addresses and phone numbers
I'd imagine mac addresses, device IDs too? And that's the way it should be, if there's need to investigate. Meredith is 100% right, this guy, I'm not so sure about.
One thing that needs to be said that wasn't said:
NationStates are the biggest abusers of children and humans on the planet, and are the main reason encryption is important.
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are you trying to say that ** debasement of a currency that undervalue work and savings of the young by pumping assets of the old + continuing expanditure of debt in favor of "today" spending at the expense of the next generation ** is an direct children abuse ? π€―
reasonable opinion.
βIt doesnβt require the breaking of encryption for a back doorβ what a fucking imbecile
Jeez. Who would I trust? A politician that didnt read the legislation and looks like he wears eye-shadow or a privacy freedom fighter?
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Is it true signal has financial issues?
You trust neither. You verify.
Example, another reason to not ise Signal besides their SIM requirement is their server infrastructure isn't open.
So what do you recommend for chat with friends and family? SimpleX?
A noob like me can't be verifying code. I verify where possible but recognise my limits
Regarding recommendations, I think we're very much in a transitional period. Right now, with the bill that's being looked at regarding encryption in the UK, I think it's a wait and see in terms of what precedent that will set for other countries as well.
Regardless of the border BS, SimpleX is an option though the lack of interoperability as a transition-ramp could be an issue, but personally I'd be more inclined towards Matrix as I've used it extensively in the past.
However, I think even those may full prey to issues that Mastodon is known for, not to mention legacy border issues.
Instead, I'm more interested in seeing Nostr as an option, for instance #0xchat is a good one but not as featureful yet.
Like I said, wait and see. As for right now, can't go wrong with #Matrix.
Lastly, I don't think it's just about being able for YOU to verify the code, but for it to be openly available and auditable. We can't expect everyone to verify source code throughout their entire life, but there are always those willing to do so, and a million eyes on pieces of code is better than no eyes at all - That's the base proposition with no compromises that I think there are no opposing arguments for, in this day and age.
I should clarify - The UK bill as it was did not pass, but it may come back soon, and also waiting to see what other countries do based on this.
At the end of the day though, it shouldn't really matter provided we have open, decentralized, self-hostable-infrastructure, interoperable comms.
The way these politicians speak is inane and infuriating.
I'm not a huge fan of Signal, but this debate is full of good points, even if they only come from one participant.
Is her opponent able to walk the streets without getting harassed? I can't believe how much is BS he shovels out with such few words.
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15 seconds in, Meredith - "I'm here today not as a politician". Debate over and won.
UNPOPULAR OPINION: I don't trust Signal, ever, since inception.
Same but i canβt say i have any good reason for it besides the phone number thing. Do you?
Signal π
Signal is in good hands. I was worried after m0xie (one of us from the olden times) stepped away, but she's great.
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Did you notice how the enforce-terms-of-service "question" by the politician was trying to set the scope of the conversation? It reminded me of Julian Assange's "we have to enlarge the media frame"
Shouts out to Meredith! I would have lost my damn mind with this dude!
Online safety yada yada. Think of the kids!!!!!
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Wow. This is the only argument in the past 8 or more years where Iβve followed both sides and not thought one side was complete bullshit.
Yes the dumpy man was a shill, but the argument on both sides was solid, and I didnβt know who Meredeth was before this post, but sheβs my hero now.
Great discussion, not to be judged. This isnβt the usual US bullshit convo. Itβs worth listening to fully.
4 Horsemen of the Infocalypse
#Signal is just another centralized bullshit.
Not everything that is centralized is a bad thing. Look up Moxie's speech at defcon called "the ecosystem is moving".
Well, this confirms my view even more. The move of the central planners is clear: client side scanning that makes encryption moot. Our move can only be total decentralisation: not services but open appliances (open source hardware & software) using open protocols (Bitcoin, Nostr, Bitcoin DNS & cert roots) so that even normies can keep their data safe in their own personal cloud until they are ready to reveal any of it to others or the general public. No mass surveillance allowed on those personal clouds. Business model is just the appliance sales, no service, no ongoing relationship, the vendor can even shield itself from knowing their customers payment identification (using Bitcoin or 3rd party payment processors) or even customers addresses (via couriers)
Signal foundation needs a nostr account! They should implement ecash onto the app instead of mobileπ©coin.
Not your servers, not your rules
Doesn't matter if people don't outright reject client side scanning