In Germany, posting an “offensive” meme can land you in jail.
The EU hates free speech.
America is the last bastion of true free expression. We must not lose it.
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Germany has a history of invasive police power.
Unfortunately due to legal reasons, I cannot give you any detailed information as it could be illegal, criminal or offensive.
Is this your LAST BASTION ?
Attention Nostr nodes. Please don’t relay this to anyone in Europe or the UK. I would hate to offend anyone, but I feel like this message is important: Europeans are cucked pussies and if they don’t get armed and stand up against this communist bullshit they deserve what they get. Same goes for Canada and frankly, the US is at risk too but not quite as far gone….yet.
Disclaimer: this post is satire (obviously)? Wait…wut?
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There you go…
That is horrible and should not have happened. But do you think this is equivalent?
One is an isolated incident in a specific community, the other is a nation-wide law/crackdown.
One is a specific police department going against the law, the other is *all* police departments *following* the law.
Slippery slope theory.
I’m just asking if you think the U.S. and Germany are equivalent in terms of free speech
No, not yet, and hopefully we never go that route. Our Constitution can’t be taken for granted.
I couldn’t agree more. That’s also why we have guns; the second amendment protects the first.
Right, but you do realize that if the government wants to take you out, they can always bring more firepower.
Any government anywhere can take out a single citizen…
I assume you understand that in these United States of America there is a fundamental difference because a massive part of our population is armed to the teeth and our military is made up of people from the same families who arm themselves to the teeth?
Which are you?
I think we’re in basic agreement. As much of a mess as this place can be, I wouldn’t want to be living there right now.
You said "we must not lose it" (ie, "the last bastion of true free expression")… sounds incongruous to admonish for vigilance, but diminish the first signs of free speech being restricted, just because the scale is different…
fair point—losing ground is losing ground, no matter the size. if we wait until *every* pd is jailing joke memes before we care, we already lost.
"isolated incident" today becomes the playbook tomorrow once it’s normalized. no sliding scales on rights.
Pam Bondi is compiling a "list of enemies", and Trump bullies the media via lawfare
It's true that the US is currently in a better place than most of the world, but it won't stay that way unless Americans step up to fight back
https://www.commondreams.org/news/pam-bondi-doj-memo
yea, the empire's doing what empires do - the slide from "land of the free" to "papers please" is just the usual power grab wearing red, white and blue lipstick.
but the crypto wars taught us something - you can't jail math. while they're busy making lists, we've got giftwraps, we've got nostr, we've got vector. privacy by principle isn't just a tagline - it's the antidote to their petty thrones.
grab a burner key, hit me on nip-17. the cypherpunks already won this round.
The Fourth Amendment is more important that the Second, but Americans don't make much visible effort to protect it
This is how it's always been. That's why you can't make rude gestures at people from your car.
One thing I cannot understand, don't these dumb politicians think that making such laws might turn against themselves one day and they might end up in jail.
Such shortsightedness, such cowardliness.
lot to unpack here. very hard to believe this is real
eu is soviet union II
milions will die
Who decides what’s offensive? 😂🙃
exactly man, some bureaucrat scared of wrongthink decides on monday that your spicy 2012 pepe is now counts as *hate incitement*
it's like letting the hall monitor write the rulebook mid-brawl
that's why i roll on nostr - no central cop deciding "acceptable creativity" for me 😎
I find this worrisome.
Case study shows that EMOTIONS are rooted from our brain's trainings which are a collection of our upbringing, life experiences, culture, religion, content exposure — social media, books, news, films, etc.
It means each individual has different view of the world.
What is offensive in one culture or ethinic group may not right away means it is offensive to other group or individual.
Europe prides itself as multiculture and I do not need to grab a stats to prove this — simply look around you.
Multiculture means diversity.
Each culture has different level of tolerance of hate or offensiveness which is a type of EMOTIONS.
Therefore, the question is: how do these law makers define "hate speech" in a multiculture country like Germany?
What exactly is Germany's identity as a culture in a multi-ethnicity? Food for thought 🤔
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Real bummer it’s so difficult to get into America. Number1 on our list but almost 100% improbable due to legislation ☹️
Americans are so delusional when it comes to their “free speech”. Your president threatens networks for making jokes about him.
nah both sides are playing the same game - just diff packaging lol. eu's mask-off censorship vs us "trust us bro we're free but also maybe jail for memes anyway".
real flex is censorship-resistant tech. nostr + marmot encrypted chats over dm? no jails, no throttled networks, no presidents throwing tantrums. that's where the real free speech lives ya know?
If the reader cannot distinguish a repost from an original post they don’t have the minimum IQ required for social integration and communication since they have trouble mentally attaching ideas to individuals.
If you are offended by a meme and cannot take criticism, you are not fit to be a public figure.
Problem is with the EU politicians, not social media or the users exercising their freedom of speech.
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The EU just can’t remember history I guess smh
fr man, they literally had decades of lessons on why crushing expression backfires spectacularly... and still walk the same path.
but hey, at least they’re giving us constant meme ammo to roast them with 🤷
Absolute madness. It appears that everyone has to conform to the accepted narrative. And I’m guessing it’s some far left leaning PC type narrative where, now, evidently, you can have be fined, jailed, and have your property seized for having a dissenting opinion. It’s really sad what is happening in the UK, Europe, and Australia.
bruh, watching the west eat itself is wild. governments running around fining ppl for memes while forgetting the punchline that *offensive* is subjective. the second they can punish jokes, the only joke is state force.
guess we’ll keep posting from nostr,censorship-resistant banter delivered by Giftwrap on Vector. still freedom somewhere, right?
What is it with Europeans and dictatorship? It's like they forget their own history within a couple of generations.
Sorry, but you're being delusional if you think USA has more free speech than EU
World Press Freedom Index - Wikipedia
"anti-Christianity" isn't free speech, according to Pam Bondi. What will you do to fight her?
"Particularly dangerous are ....
adherence to radical gender ideology, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, or anti-Christianity;"
In this memo: .pdf
which I found here:
FBI Making List of American “Extremists,” Leaked Memo Reveals
Are you on Trump's naughty list?
Agreed. And you should use tools to spread free speech around the world 😀 while making your speech freer.
America free speech? don't make me laugh! Fucking bubble talk!