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Yes, why? @paul keating

Paul isn’t a dev

He still works alongside them. I doubt he's oblivious to this matter.

Absolutely false.

Yes. And? Primal's ToS is a lie, then. I'm more aware of how nostr works than most. It is things like this that really highlights how little even devs think about nostr and it's implications

You misunstood the context of the OP. Relays can indeed see everything you do and some do collect certain info. But what primal is doing is collecting users search info which they can sell to their VC masters and possibly create a personalized list of search and trend suggestions, which is virtually identical to what platforms like Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube do.

You're right! 🙏🏻

Your feeble mind will never understand

How condescending of you. Hop off your ivory tower for a second and spend some time with us commoners.

If you spend your time looking at source code just to find reasons to be mad, you are a very boring person and not fun to be around. You can’t be mad at me for not wanting to engage with someone so boring.

He's not looking for reasons to be mad. If you weren't looking at this thread through a purely subjective lens, then you would see that. How does that make him boring😏?

Uh, no. This is part of the "don't trust, verify" process. You dingledorks are doing stuff that's completely anathema to nostr. It only highlights your fear and lack of creativity. That criticism is also rich coming from a group that can't get basic consistency into a software project. What a tone-deaf bafoon.

Nostr is an open protocol, there is a different reason why all of you hate on Primal, and interestingly for the same reason Primal team never hated on your projects.

This is your response to storing all user searches and tying them to pubkeys? Wow. People should and rightfully call out any nostr dev doing this.

Yes. You're exactly correct. We are rightly criticizing a stellar oversight or an outright lie. You have can't bother criticizing projects that are both better built and more functional by people who are above moral reproach even if we are prickly. Step off your soap box until the current issue is addressed. Not doing that only gives the ones criticizing you more fuel. Please continue if you feel you must. I'm exceptionally happy for this to continue. 😁😎❤️‍🔥🤭

Do you hate your users? Are you only working on nostr because you are being paid vc money? This avatar is funny to you?

Your attempts to stir up drama are pathetic, I’m not a primal spokesperson and I’m also on vacation. If you want an official primal response you will have to look elsewhere.

Was this you? Because this creepy Primal bot showed up only a few minutes after i was done talking to you.

And tell him to put a shirt on

This avatar is funny to you?

I don’t think about you dude. I have time because I’m waiting for my plane, going on a vacation in a few hours, we just released a big update and I deserve to chill a bit. You should enjoy life more.

Typical evasion tactics

My life is fine. You keep evading our questions, though.

Your life is obviously boring if you have nothing better to do

You really love tossing around the word boring. What's funny is that you don't realize how boring you and your precious Primal is. And I've experienced more than enough excitement in my 45 years of being alive. When my kids grow up, I'll get back to being fun. Plenty of time for that. So... are you going to answer all of our questions or not? Because you're clearly trying to evade.

As I said I’m not a primal spokesperson and can’t give an official response, I can only say my opinion. Also I am more than happy to answer good faith questions and have answered many questions today, but if you are coming at me in bad faith, I will only make fun of you.

Isn't there a Nostr blog or GitHub page that explains how the algo works? I know that @miljan posted about this and discussed it at length a year ago.

@paul keating is sexy AF and doesn't need to wear a shirt. Soon his daughter will be born so that he can transition into a dadbod like myself. 🫂🥹

It did make me laugh 😂😂😂 I appreciate humor in times of frustration to help break the tension.

I just see Will's beautiful head of hair and shed a tear 🥹

And I'm happy for him and his wife. But, it's true, the Primal team only seems to hear what they want to hear.

I respect it. I wouldn’t wear a shirt either if I lived where he does

Congratulations on the release brother. It's a good one. 🫂🤙🏻💜

It's so irritating!🤣🤷

I did explain it in DMs but here you go: - All interactions from the last n hours are taken by “trusted” users (top 50k by followed, not exactly but mostly similar) - The most interacted ones are added up - Except for the GM feeds, any that contains “gm” (including as part of another word or link) is removed - Public keys blocked from trending are removed - The result is returned

So you're saying I gotta change my good morning message after 2.5 years? Got it.

do you speak for primal? because you're saying things that conflict with your boss

😂🫂

how about you shut up

I don’t speak for Primal, all expressed opinions are purely my own.

We need a NIP for clients to voluntarily disclose their data handling … and a network of users and devs that incentivizes them to use it. Primal is just the beginning. There will be more … lots more. Success for Nostr depends on real world businesses integrating with the protocol. WE ALL KNOW that end user sovereignty is good for business (don’t we?) AND YET the dominant paradigm of black box apps will not go away without some hand holding. We SHOULD be building a protocol and libraries that make it easy for businesses to OFF-LOAD more and more of their data to Nostr … but we SHOULD NOT chastise business for simply having black boxes and trying to make money. Black boxes are the old business model. Freedom tech is the new… but transitions are complicated.

you are a symbol of everything wrong with Silicon Valley and why it needs to be abandoned. thank you 🙂 we will use you as an example of why privacy, and open protocols are so important.

Hahahah gracias we’ll see about that dad bod😂🫂

From what I've heard about primal, they don't give a shit about your privacy. Aren't they the client that KYC's you during onboarding?

My feeble mind? Telle that it isn't rigged or GFY

Why would I know or care, I work on the iOS app. Learn to take a joke.

It's not documented anywhere including the GH

Nice deflection. You were not joking🙄. You're just unable to admit that you have no valid answer.

That's what people who don't want to answer the difficult questions do. Like, why is your client rigged kinda questions. And people don't look at source code because they're bored. They look at source code to figure out how censorship, tracking and co work.

Yep, for sure. A few things are certain though, imo. Primal devs are trying to make it appear as if other non-primal devs are bullying them (cowardly🙄), they use deceptive tactics to create a walled garden of misinformation across a decentralized freedom protocol in order to create the false narrative that primal and it's relays are the most used nostr client, they don't care for user privacy (and lie about it), they collect data (which they also lie about), and they're an increasingly narcissistic bunch due to egregious amounts of VC funding. In short, they believe that their dicks are the biggest🙄.

boom!

No #gmprotocol fucking rekt. That's like half my engagement.

Wow I must say the last thing I expected of mr.NiceguyGMandhelpeveryone is cheering on a shithead behavior even if it’s your teammate..

All developers are my teammates. I thought I did well discussing both sides earlier and elsewhere in the thread.

As opposed to users apparently 😂

How/why would a public key get blocked from trending?

up to them. I am not sure if the trending filter specifically is shown (only the spam filter is AFAIK)

Use relays?