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The Trivium Blow-by-blow of this exchange for illustrative purposes (imaging you are reading an account of a boxing match) ... @HODL makes a logical claim...followed by logical solution to that claim, followed by a closing argument that was opinion based. Well constructed...the claim is verifiable or falsafiable. The claim and the solution presented is the debate...GO... @j'ai les clés starts with an apeal to emotion("hot garbage") countered with a logical claim to @HODL 's OPINION (red herring argument) that [parenthood] is "simply the best". by countering with a straw man argument with the statement "some people would be better off not [having children]. -. Then concludes with the counter argument to the first logical point with the agrument that the "world doesnt need more people". (the counter claim) @hodl makes a round-about ad hominem attack... @j'ai les clés responds by pointing out the ad hominem attack and produces his own... @hodl responds by deflecting the previous ad hominem and produces a response to the original red herring ...the crowd goes wild!!!!! The only way to get better ideas, it through better discorse. Let all learn together.

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