How do you even compete with Apple? They have a vertically integrated stack from privacy preserving silicon to ai tech. I thought apple was going downhill, but now with private-cloud and ondevice intelligence, it makes my linux box + typing into chatgpt look like a joke.
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Still closed source and they have never been audited to show they are not taking private user data. No?
You can verify this when they release it. Just disconnect from the internet and use it.
Yes, but when it is connected, what data is shared to their severs in secret? You can't know unless a third party audit.
If I heard correctly they had a third party audit. Not 100% sure
Oh, that would be something.
Couldnβt it just log and send the report when you reconnect?
βiPhone Storage > System Dataβ has quite a few GB of black box data that is constantly fluctuating in size.
Could easily be logs that I never see.
I donβt trust them.
I'd never change my Linux box for anything Apple branded!
"ondevice intelligence"
Itβs literally what it is. When it comes out you can test their claims by using it without internet
indeed, I'm just sceptical of the "intelligence" part, but that's me, just an offline cloudless non-gpt luddite π
Brain melting.
I guess I could use on-device models, but linux is not even close to having system-wide integration of local models that can access many different systems and integrate them. We need whole new kinds of apis and system interfaces for this. I suspect itβs at least 20+ years away. Apple is way ahead of the curve here.
This makes me sad, it feels like open source tech is way behind now. AI is going to change computing and people are going to forget about the days when we didnβt have it. It will look like old and obscure tech, even more than it already is.
The opensource ai crowd needs to pick up the pace or open source computing is fucked and it will become less relevant than ever.
How is open source AI goin to even begin to scale against characters like Altman
Very morbid. I can't see myself trusting Apple (or any other closed source big tech operator) enough to use something like this...
But there most likely comes a point where there isn't a real choice to opt out, implied or otherwise.
personalized ai assistants who offload tons of computing interface complexity. Normies will eat this up. Techies will too. It will save tons of time. Thereβs no going back after this. Star trek computer is where we are headed.
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The military industrial complex is trying to demoralize you. Open source AI is doing well, give it time
Mind bending. This is a lot of power to comprehend.
We'll have open source OSes with (optional) sovereign AI models and private data. They just won't be Linux. That's okay.
OpenWebUI is a start
People will crave traditional computers that don't spy on you all day long, the way people crave Monero or Tor - none of which will and should never ever be integrated into AI. I'm not sure I would even read a newspaper on an AI chipped machine.
Only if you ignore the unsolved and persistent MAJOR, high risk,problem: It doesn't actually work. No AI model is accurate enough to avoid disaster: there will be countless stories of AI telling your boss something you didn't want said, or making purchases you didn't want, telling you to add glue to pasta sauce. These problems aren't going away, and the only way to stop such risks is to make AI a less useful assistant, which is what a standard computer is.
AI assistant will be a short lived gimmick, in the sense that if you don't mind it being completely inaccurate for all the integrated tasks you give it, then it will SORT OF work. But when it makes mistakes, it will move beyond just annoying (like when alexa doesn't understand your words) to destructive and catastrophic. Apple doesn't want to use its own AI because it doesn't want that responisibility. It informs you that you are using OpenAI. Because its an unreliable toy.
I was ready to get rid of my Mac but I can't.
"How can my Linux server and bitcoind compete against the Federal Reserve?"
They basically just put Microsoft owned tech on their phones. I don't think siri having more functionality will really change much, most normies don't really use chatgpt other than for school or work. Seems almost boring compared to their previous work. Like the Vision pro was hyped for 2 days before people realized the user base wasn't there. I know it was more for enterprise but Idk seems like another half assed product/enviroment.
Privacy preserving silicon that resurfaces deleted iCloud Photos from 10 years ago?
Privacy preserving.... You believe them?
...Because you have to trust them. Can't audit their tech at all. Big black hole with a loud microphone apple is.
You can read about their entire stack, its not just belief, they are opening it to researchers:
Its extremely impressive

Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud - Apple Security Research
Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud - Apple Security Research
Secure and private AI processing in the cloud poses a formidable new challenge. To support advanced features of Apple Intelligence with larger foun...
That's why I say: if it works in actuality the way they present it in theory, I'm fine with it.
Even if they used half the techniques they described in this post it would already be a huge privacy improvement over the way people are using ai today.
Again, they may open their stack for use (APIs or whatever) but can you audit the code?
Did @DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM π stole Willβs nsec?
I use my own llms on ollama.ai . 100% private and open source.
i'm not sure if i hear sarcasm in your post
Forever sus π€
If they so privacy focused, do they plan to integrate a private payment method?
Yeah (and as an Apple user, Iβm playing devilβs advocate), isnβt it the epitome of centralised centralisation a company can get? Zaps/Apple store kinda demon-strated this.
Centralization isnβt always bad in my eyes
Yes, the App Store is centralized and this zap thing was bullshit. But letβs be honest, how many people are using an alternative App Store on android where itβs possible since day one to install one.
yes their tyrannical control of what is allowed on the appstore is a huge downside, which is why I think they should just allow you to install a dmg or something directly onto the phone like android. Let us run the software we want to run ffs.
How many people are using bitcoin instead of the dollar? Is that a compelling reason?
How long before they actually provide data to governments? Via backdoors or otherwise. At least in EU where there is no place for e2ee.
no thanks. theirs business model is something I wouldn't touch with 5m stick.
How do you even compete with Apple? They have a vertically integrated stack from privacy preserving silicon to ai tech. I thought apple was going downhill, but now with private-cloud and ondevice intelligence, it makes my linux box + typing into chatgpt look like a joke.
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They already announced image scanning backdoors long ago and then claimed to cancel the project
https://archive.is/BpZQF
From now on, I identify as an AI skeptic/luddite.
How do you even compete with Apple? They have a vertically integrated stack from privacy preserving silicon to ai tech. I thought apple was going downhill, but now with private-cloud and ondevice intelligence, it makes my linux box + typing into chatgpt look like a joke.
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Having followed Apple for close to three decades, I knew this would happen as soon as the first llama dropped. They tend to have a longer horizon and miss out on a lot of practical opportunities while lining up for something most people aren't thinking about yet. Given their surprising advance in unified memory and decision to make over-powered but under-featured mobile devices, preparing to run something heavy in the near future is a reasonable conclusion.
But, their advantage is going to be limited by their ecosystem. iOS is a lot more constrained than an open source OS, and while it can be a hot mess, it's also possible to lock those down too. It just takes time and code. Perhaps code written by LLMs.
Yesterday I downloaded a local LLM app to my iPhone 15 Pro Phi3 mini was throwing 15 tokens / sec. Don't get sidetracked by Apple, everyone is going the same place, and very soon.
Which App?
Thanks! You inspired me to search github for an android equivalent app. Found this one but I have not tested it, still downloading Q4_K_M

GitHub
GitHub - nerve-sparks/iris_android: IRIS is an android app for interfacing with GGUF / llama.cpp models locally.
IRIS is an android app for interfacing with GGUF / llama.cpp models locally. - nerve-sparks/iris_android
I don't disagree, but... there is always trust involved when you work with closed source, what do you think bout that?
Open source AI will discuss content that closed source Apple, Google, Altman would never touch. That could be the difference maker.
OpenAI are lobbying US govnt to force GPU manufacturrers to put chips in to prevent them running 'unnaproved' models for 'safety' . ie to block open source and privacy.
Awful if true
Apple is positioning to be the digital world order, collecting information from every user through AI. Frightening.
How do you compete against them? Provide a similar platform that is open source and amenable to third party developers, forking, modifying, allowing markets to bloom.
Provide the substrate for a complex adaptive system and it will devour the railroaded completion like complex adaptive systems always do.
How do you even compete with Apple? They have a vertically integrated stack from privacy preserving silicon to ai tech. I thought apple was going downhill, but now with private-cloud and ondevice intelligence, it makes my linux box + typing into chatgpt look like a joke.
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iOS 18 changes everything
honestly feels like a huge turning point in computing, way more than the vision pro
Imagine the lack of privacity of vision pro with ai and more
How can we be sure of the privacy?
just read the source π
Unless youβre reading the source of every dependency and you build all of your software from source, youβre always trusting someone, even in open source.
Many times the software you install on your computer was built by someone else, which has the chance to inject malware, separate from the code you read from their repo.
I'm not able to read the source. I use Homebrew on MacOS and Flathub on Linux. I think Homebrew has a larger install base. Is it crazy for me to trust my use of MacOS more? I also monitor outgoing traffic with Little Snitch and use hardening guides to reduce telemetry.
Iβd prefer simple if I can be sure of security and privacy.
Make the switch??
I will never trust apple or any company listed on a stock exchange
Can't tell if this is serious or sarcasm.
Also suspicious of sudden epiphanies like this. ChatGPT is a privacy headache but that doesn't drag Linux into the same label, nor does it make Apple the only alternative when there's a ton of local server options available... it takes a few seconds to download LM Studio or Ollama... there's no need for drama ,π¦.
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You and your Linux box are way cooler.
#freewill π
Sure and in time they will know literally everything about you. Their value will come not from great products but from the information they possess and this will be even more valuable to the apparatus.
Theyβre just really good at taking the time to ship great stuff, thatβs often in service of some greater vision thatβs visible only to a small number of the leadership. Jobs set up the factory and itβs still churning out unmatched products. Every engineer there gets the last ounce of effort squeezed out them by WWDC by the system he set up. It would be even better if Jobs was still around of course, albeit with a tad more burnout.
