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Probably from a country across the pond that cucked years ago. 2A is the battle. It and 1A go hand in hand.

sure but you cannot assess it in a vacuum compare to the uk and its obvious which is more free

I believe UK is on par with China as far as freedom of speech goes.

It's great you guys have that right and certainly helps, but govt is not afraid of your guns - only of public opinion like anywhere else. USA should be the freest country in the world, unfortunately far from that

which country is more free

In most freedom indices the US ranks below ~15th in terms of human and economic freedom but then the discussion gets very, very nuanced depending on what freedom means to you. Maybe those indices are corrupted? I don't know. There are also low-key smaller countries where there are more "de facto" freedoms than appear on paper.

I'm interested in what economic freedom means. I drink raw milk, can get fresh eggs, fresh pot and mushrooms, unregistered guns, clean shine... About the only thing I can't get that I want are those sick little Jap trucks.

Yes there lacks a standard for measuring freedom. Some like to use the word liberty instead. Too much nuance to even have a discussion about it.

I want them trucks too, RIP diesel #fuckCAFE

Lol i think it means something else. I can get all of that here too, and I don't exactly live in freedom paradise

I asked ai, and it said zoning and licensing, which is dependent on county and state, then basically a bunch of tax stuff, and minimum wage and union stuff. So I'm still lost lol

😆 Imagine mandated minimum wage being enforced with the threat of force, and access to unions that use their sheild as a bludgeon being the markers of “freedom.”

I mean yeah minimum wage and union stuff is gay but minimum wage is like $7, is anyone really asking for less than that to pick straw berries? Like I definitely make less than that farming lol but thats my own business

Right, that’s the point. It looks like a tiny pebble in an ocean, but it’s merely one symptom of the problem as a whole. You do make less than that. That means that if you were a business, your employee would be yielding less than that from your labor. Yet, if your farm was an S-Corp, and attempted to pay yourself (as the employee) the $6.99 you’re worth, then they would say it was tax fraud and unfair compensation. Sure taxation is theft, but you should be able to pay yourself whatever garbage wage you want. Then, after paying yourself that garbage wage, you should pay taxes at a lower rate because you’re not worth as much. Anything else is artificial inflation, which isn’t free. The further you get from anarcho-capitalism, the further you get from just simply letting the market decide completely on its own, the closer you are to UBI and full on socialism.

"Bunch of taxes and regulations" yeah that applies to a lot of jurisdictions... I'm not saying USA is bad, just that it's not the "land of the free". Or why doesn't it rank number 1 everywhere then? It is the only country in the world that will chase you globally to pay taxes even when you don't reside there, and if you try to renounce your citizenship the exit tax will fuck you over. I would say it is the land of opportunity, it's a great place to build a business mostly because of the huge market and infrastructure.

I get your point, but maybe it just doesn't make sense to me bc all of these freedom indexes are subjective anyway, but they are presented as an objective list. They should publish all the raw data and just let me weight what matters to me more or less.

Also, on the minimum wage thing, the federal minimum wage doesn't matter to me because my states minimum wage is higher

Fair enough. I wonder how it would stack up for folks exiting the system entirely tho. Like if you make all your money in KYC free Bitcoin or monero or whatever, which country is easiest to thrive in.

Seems to me that "first world" countries make this more difficult, percentage of the population being compliant is very high

Oh ok, that makes sense in context. I just look at granular things and take them to the extreme. I guess all that was me trying to say “The extreme of minimum wage isn’t freedom, it is totalitarian facism.” (Not in the cheap antifa definition of facism, but the classical definition: federalized corporatism).. the same or less free for the average worker, but way less free for a private business owner. Both the worker and the ceo are people, so it’s a net loss for the worker to be the same free and the owner to be less free. But ya, it’s a dumb metric for freedom lol

And? Where did he say you are a domestic terrorist if you carry a handgun with a red dot and extra mag?

the first sentence is irrelevant otherwise and his henchmen were even more explicit

Be honest, Why do you bring a gun to a ICE protest to begin with? Are you expecting gun fire from leftists? NO. Are you expecting gun fire from ICE? NO, unless you break the law and obstruct them and fight them. All he is saying is you cannot break the law and incite violence. And if you do, that’s the definition of domestic terrorism. What do you want? A mob to stop the any enforcements they don’t like?

you just made the same argument you claimed they are not making

No I didn’t. You can carry a gun for protection if you are legally allowed to AND peacefully protesting. Not if you obstructing and fighting with ICE.

Is that a p320? My eye isn’t sharp enough.

yup malfunctions aside its an incredibly common handgun the ice agents were probably carrying them as well

That IS an sig p320! CASE CLOSED ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE. lol

Jesus the truth social website is a nightmare. Just went there and there were three GLP-1 advertisements between two of Trumps troofs, and one after.

Malfunction might be what got him killed. A theory is the gun went off as it was being confiscated

Facts are, we have multiple videos, from multiple angles, from prior to and after murder…with audio.

What exactly constitutes "interference"? Filming the cops (1st amendment protected activity)? Carry a weapon (2nd amendment protected activity)? pretty sure you mute me anyway so question for the audience.

Law enforcement. The violence arm of the state. Not an honorable people.

No idea what your point is. Im just pointing out, that open carry is a thing he every right to do. Then he started acting in a way that got himself shot.

In our revered Declaration of Independence, written by thee great Thomas Jefferson, he refers to those, alien to our country, as "merciless Indian savages". I agree; don't tread on me. But the formation of our states was our assertion we have our own people with our own heritage, culture, and way of life. When drafting the Constitution, we drafted a contract that we will allow a Federal govt to exist in addition to the sovereign states (they called it general govt back then), if they perform their contracted duties which includes casting out the invaders and insurgents. That's not boot licking. That's the (Constitutional) contract all states knowingly, voluntarily, intentionally entered into.

Did you just skip over Native American genocide and then use “merciless Indian savages”? You know what they used to call Native Americans…savages. Thomas Jefferson had slaves you fucking idiot. Do kids not read books these days???

They were merciless savages. As many died from disease as were killed in conflict with settlers. There was no “genocide”. They lost because they were primitive and weak.

Let me guess, you’re an Antifa retard.

I didn’t know macho man entered the chat.

Cream of the crop

No

Good job

🎯 He had an acute case of being a dumb fucker.

Cogent

No corporation ever started exporting production to other countries for cheaper labor. Critical thinking not your thing?

Are you retarded? Does your parents know you’re on the internet?

Probably not, I’m old enough to be your daddy…I might be actually. Who’s your mom?

Doubt it kiddo.

Just tell me your mom’s name and we can clear this up. I don’t want to do a blood test but I guess I can.

Yep. You’re probably 14 and parents aren’t home yet.

I get it, son…can I call you son? Too soon? I know this is difficult, I wasn’t there for you when you were going through puberty trying to find yourself. Which made you susceptible to Nazi propaganda. I’m here now and want you to read more books.

I’m reading Mein Kampf. Didn’t your special ed teacher send homework with you?

Hey, son I’ve read that too! You ever read any of Karl Marx?

What a stupid take.

#immunity

America used to only have a Sheriff. His job is to help manage those of us that are "domiciled" Citizens of our Union state. Not "residents". After the 14th Amendment created a 2nd citizenship...a Federal citizenship, better known by its euphemism "a US citizen", then POLICy Enforcement (POLICE) was introduced to manage "that" citizenship group. USA Citizens are still protected by the Constitution. SCOTUS ruled that U.S. citizens "may" be extended the same Bill of Rights, but that's on a case by case basis. It's not the same guarantee the Constitution gives its Union state Citizens.

what if citizenship is revoked - who protects?

Only Federal citizenship can be taken away. You aren't born into it. You "naturalize" yourself into it when you sign under perjury that you identify as a US citizen. You are born into Union state Citizenship, and nobody can take that away (lawfully). By the way, whereas Union state Citizens have the 9th Amendment of innumerable Rights beyond the pursuit of happiness, Federal citizens have obligations...like paying the income tax, for example. Someone would only want to have their optional Federal citizenship revoked. But Union state Citizenship is all benefits without the innumerable statutory obligations.

A US citizen is a Federal citizen. A Federal citizen is a 14th Amendment citizen. In the hallmark court case of what's come to be known as the Slaughterhouse Trials, the presiding Chief Justice ruled 14th Amendment citizens are NOT guaranteed the Constitution's Bill of Rights. That's only for Citizens among the 50 states. Look it up! In case you got lost, remember how this started. A US citizen is NOT a Citizen to any of the Union states. A U.S. citizen is "domiciled" in the District of Columbia, regardless of which state they are "residing" in. Yes; America has two citizenships. Union state vs Federal. And if you don't know which you are, the govt presumes you are a Federal citizen.

Bro open your eyes

Justifying innocent American murder…

Having 5 dudes hold you down while they disarm you and then shoot you in the back after your weapon is gone is not an "imperfect response."

Of course I don’t want anyone hurt but large operations aren’t perfect — mistakes happen. El Salvador didn’t crush crime by being flawless, and ICE isn’t targeting harmless people-they’re removing serious criminals while being targeted very aggressively constantly

No one’s saying it’s justified. It’s collateral damage in a high-risk operation targeting illegal aliens amid nonstop interference…

“Expecting a perfect response (aka not killing innocent Americans) isn’t realistic” Dude cmon. Trump is saying it’s his fault for practicing the 2nd amendment. The Republican Party is realizing the need for an armed population that they were so worried about all along.

Innocent Americans is not the right framing

What’s the crime?