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I know that the 2nd Amendment is sacrosant to many socially-conservative Americans, but it's actually a difficult concept to understand the purpose of, if you aren't raised with it, or simply obsessed with guns for their own sake. Most European countries are primarily concerned with foreign enemies, and many have military service, so we tend to associate weapons with wars of invasion. Since the United States hasn't been invaded since the Brits retreated, and hasn't really experienced a real, nation-threating hot war since the Civil War, but the country is highly militarized and drowning in weaponry, I suspect the men have simply redirected their war spirit inland. Europe, on the other hand, is now in its' second major war within my lifetime. Some Europeans have experienced 3-5 major conflicts, such as involving Romania, Cyprus, and Yugoslavia. And the chaos of life after communism was pretty bad. We generally don't like shooting other people here, and don't associated it with glamour and fun and being a cowboy, so we just don't do it. Even in European countries where a lot of people own guns, there is hardly anyone being shot. We really do use our hunting rifles to shoot deer, and not our neighbors. I think Americans think this means that European men are cowards. Remember, when Americans mocked Ukrainian men for not being familiar with guns and being wimpy schmucks? Well, I don't hear that, anymore. image

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The principle is simple, and based on natural law. You are born into this world, and have a right to defend yourself. The state cannot grant this right. It can make it that much more difficult to defend yourself. There is nothing cowboy about defending your life. Looking at data in big cities in Germany, US would you, as a woman, feel safe today walking all neighborhoods at any time of day? Remember that guns are an equalizer for more the vulnerable and weaker against those who would cause harm. As for the a foreign state invasion, it is an incredibly more complex thing to discuss. Would an armed with butter knifes & pretzels, or armed with AKs and RPGs populace be easier to roll over? The Taliban provide a clue.
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We just watched a largely-unarmed populace get invaded by Russia and they're still fighting back, three years later. More older European men have had professional-quality military training than Americans have, and they're bringing back mandatory service, in the majority of countries that paused it. Or already have.
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Most people in Europe can attain a firearm, but choose to not do so. That is because the crime rate here is low. Most big German cities are safer than most big US cities, and I feel comfortable walking around them day and night. I take the public transportation everywhere. There are better and worse neighborhoods, but even the worst ones are also surprisingly safe. Most American women are afraid to even walk around in the suburbs. That's one major reason that so many are so fat. They're prisoners in their McMansions. And you can hardly walk around in the country because everything is private and fenced in and the owners will shoot you. America is a gigantic open-air prison, where people lock and fence themselves in. Women are not necessarily a match for a man, even if she has a gun. Her best bet is to just live in a country that is safer, overall. Like Denmark.
most rational humans become calmer, and have very well regulated emotional control if they choose to be armed every day - there won't be emotional outbursts - if a situation arises, it is all about de-escalation, avoiding anything that could lead to even a minor altercation... its why Bruce Banner does everything he can to avoid any situation that could lead to violence - he knows he will win, and someone will get hurt not everyone is rational, but most people I deal with who chose to be armed, operate this way -
America has not been invaded so why does it have a gun culture? You just answered your own question. Governments are history’s largest killers, that’s why citizens must be able to make the cost of tyranny too high. America is a shit hole? You’re crazy now, life here is awesome.
The true purpose is one reason and one reason alone. To shoot tyrants and their order followers. The War for Independence was NOT about tea taxes. It began when the order followers came to confiscate the militia's armory. And its secondary purpose, shoot anyone else attempting to harm you or others.
You totally misunderstand 2A on multiple points: 1) “no invasion”: most of American history, especially during the “cowboy” era and before, consisted of NUMEROUS frontier conflicts with native Americans. Americans had DOMESTIC threats on their border just as much as Europe had for this time period. Besides the natives, the USA also fought the English in Canada (they literally burnt down our capital in the war of 1812), and then the Mexican American war. It has actually only been since the world war period that America has had no formal “armed forces” threat on their borders. However, I would argue that with foreign cartels like Tran de Aragua taking over whole apartment complexes and the tranny miltantism on our home front, the “peaceful” nature of our domestic situation is really more of a propaganda piece to TAKE our second amendment more so than it is any truth. 2) “but Europeans see invasion”: the Japanese said it themselves—“America cannot be invaded because there is a gun behind every blade of grass”. How much of Ukraine did Putin and the Russians take before the international campaign to send them weapons to fight back? Did you know that, like most other Europeans, Ukrainians weren’t allowed to have their own weapons until AFTER Putin invaded. How far do you think his men could have marched if every granny and farmer the whole way to Kiev was armed the way Americans are? Answer—not very, and it would have been so costly as to have totally changed the dynamic of the invasion. At the bare minimum, it would have denied the Russians the advantages of speed that was critical to their decision to invade in the first place. 3) But, of course, why is it that even under Biden, the most corrupt president of my lifetime, we didn’t get an “online safety act” and Americans being jailed for calling out Biden’s invasion the way the English and other Europeans are? Why is it that THIS has gotten THIS far in Germany, but not the USA? image The reason is because they have to “frogs in the pot” is instead of just dropping the hammer in the USA. Obviously, the USA has tolerated WAY too much overreach. But our politicians have to slowly inch the decline to serfdom or Americans would explode and kill them all. Meanwhile I got English and Irishmen begging me to teach them how to make cheap approximations of real guns (musket era stuff) to take their countries back from the brink.
europeans pay a small price to live in a gun free zone: to have a bloody fuckin war every 40 years or so by the way, bloody fuckin wars are usually being excluded from statistics too, how convenient?
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