To our valued Wallet of Satoshi community in the United States of America,
We've dedicated ourselves to providing the best Bitcoin experience with Wallet of Satoshi, being at the forefront of Lightning usability and adoption. However, we've made the difficult decision to remove our app from the U.S. Apple and Google app stores, and will not serve U.S. customers going forward.
This decision doesn't come lightly. Our commitment to providing a secure, user-friendly, and compliant platform globally is unwavering. Our top priority is the safety and interests of our customers and our company.
We understand this may be disappointing news and we share your frustration. We're hopeful that future developments will allow us to revisit and possibly resume our operations in the U.S.
For our existing users in the USA, rest assured that you have full access to your Bitcoin funds. You can seamlessly withdraw and transfer them to another wallet.
We deeply appreciate your support and understanding. We remain committed to bringing the benefits of Bitcoin to as many as possible.
Stay tuned for updates, and thank you for being a part of our community.
Peace, Love and Bitcoin,
The Wallet of Satoshi Team ๐งก
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Yeah nah,
Sorry to hear that news dudes and dudets,
Wos has been a great LN into wallet.
All the best..
@ODELL called another one
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Enjoy your stay in the Third World
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Best of luck. ๐ค If may I ask, what is the problem that pushed you to withdraw?
It's the federal mixing rule (along with other things), which it seems they are refusing to fight in court (it hasn't been finalized yet, but it will be soon).
(Comment period on this ends in early 2024)
There is also an extremely strong anti-bitcoin (and anti-any-sort-of-digital-innovation) climate as a result of what is happening in the federal government in the United States right now. See recent SEC prosecutions, etc. This doesn't make it impossible for people to operate in the USA, but it does make it extraordinarily onerous and it does make it increasingly necessary for individuals and organizations to plan legal battles simply to continue to use decentralized, distributed, dis-intermediated systems in the United States.
Now, Wallet of Satoshi could ally with various other groups including pro-bitcoin groups that have had success at defending both industry groups and individuals from legal onslaughts.
Instead, @Wallet of Satoshi is retreating with its tail between its legs.
Let me add that an organization that absconds from a state, I can understand. For example, Kraken removed itself from New York after New York decided to implement the NY bitlicense, which meant that individuals in New York would not be able to be served by Kraken, but that corporations that had been formed out of NY or individuals residing outside of NY would be able to be served by Kraken. At that time, Kraken had released a blog post which described in detail exactly why they were leaving New York and explicitly described Kraken's total opposition to the NY bitlicense. As time went on it was apparent that it was still possible that NY residents could be part of a corporation that was incorporated outside of NY and thus could be part of a business / corporate account on Kraken along with other corporate officers, although today a person residing in NY cannot have an account as an individual on Kraken. Since many exchanges withdrew from NY when NY implemented the bitlicense, I wonder how many exchanges will withdraw from serving clients in California when California's bitlicense (AB 39, now law) goes into effect in around a year's time. I hope many of them will, but there would be an enormous impact on the market if they do so and I don't think all of them would be willing to give up the money, they'd rather cave to California's demands.
So as I said, I think that it's understandable if an exchange (or a software business, or any kind of bitcoin oriented organization) decides it might not want to serve a particular state (because of licensing requirements they don't agree with, so long as THEY MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT'S THE REASON FOR WITHDRAWAL from that state). However, withdrawing from an entire COUNTRY seems ridiculous to me unless you are acknowledging that you simply aren't capable of serving the people in that country. Wallet of Satoshi's statement that they "will not serve" people in the USA is not acknowledging Wallet of Satoshi's own inability to figure out a way to serve people in the USA - rather, it's just a cop-out by saying they "will not serve" people in the USA.
Sound negative? Sure, but I'm just being honest.
Do better, Wallet of Satoshi.
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So, ETF will be approved...but with more of this. Do you see?
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This is why we FOSS.
Show me a custodial wallet that is FOSS. It kind of makes no sense.
Exactly.
Why not announce first?
Why don't you release an apk for android, so that US users could still install it?
This is definitely the "they will fight you" phase...
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Time to run your on LN node US bros and babes, its been real now you get to try out real Lightning
Can you please give some hint as to the reasoning behind ypur decision? Thanks
Custodians are getting more heat. WoS would probably need a license to operate as the money transmitter they are.
if so, then it's not a commodity and should be treated in the US as currency
WoS is great starter waller, shame for new USA plebs
Your post is attracting a lot of attention.
Added to the https://nostraco.in/hot feed
make the wallet downloadable directly from your website WHY THE FUCK ONE SHOULD GO THROUGH GOOGLE AND APPLE IF NOT TO KEEP TRACK OF USERS???? MAKE IT DOWNLOADABLE USING TOR OF COURSE
Yes CallerApp does the same. It was not allowed to record phone calls automatically. So it now provide a link from their site to continue this functionality. WOS can do something like this also.
SET UP COMPANY IN EL SALVADOR AND SET UP A WEBSITE FOR DOWNLOADING THE SOFTWARE
Good luck. I reckon UK is next
Did you not see this coming? Plan accordingly.
View quoted note โ Wallet of Satoshi stรกhne appku z App Store a Google Play ve Spojenรฝch stรกtech.
Todo mundo se esta haciendo eco de lo que sucede con las tiendas de Apple en USA y la prohibiciรณn o los bloqueos que pueden realizar a las aplicaciones, como es el caso de @Wallet of Satoshi y @ZEUS (como ejemplo).
Siempre he defendido y lo seguirรฉ haciendo, la libertad de las empresas a poner sus reglas. "Mi casa, mis normas!".
Pero tambiรฉn seguirรฉ diciendo y abogando para que abramos los ojos y veamos que existen alternativas, incluso mejores (y no va por WoS), que ademรกs de darte mayor libertad, te dan mejor servicio y de manera soberana.
El futuro nos alcanza, la libertad se esta volviendo un tesoro, no lo dejes pasar, valoralo y esfuรฉrzate por entenderlo y ponerla en prรกctica, requiere un esfuerzo, si, pero la libertad lo merece!
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Taking tough decisions by a team always deserves respect.
My Respect goes out to @Wallet of Satoshi for not beeing bend by the US ruleset and go their own way to deliver freedome and resist KYC for all of us. There is no Lightning with KYC. This must be understood.
I really hope that you guys use this tough decision for a political statement towards the authorities that violate your freedome.
I liked what you do.
But now you deserve even somd love guys!
Keep on developing the freedome.
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Why not say this a week ago? Give customers warning before you remove the app! If someone doesnt already have it installed they lose their funds?
Can you elaborate how somebody might have funds in WoS without having it installed? Also it's not like you can't install it. I can send you the APK right here.
Let me get that. Lol. I'll use a VPN and keep suooprorting WoS. Lol. Fuck the gov.
Things are getting interesting with Wallet of Satoshi...
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wos announcement, if you missed it
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Curious. Must not have been planned considering the promotion went live just 12 days ago, incentivizing users to onboard for a piece of the commission pie. Wonder what the reason is behind this PR message.
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Wallet of Satoshi being removed from US app stores. Recommend moving funds from their platform.
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So if I already have the app is it going to get auto deleted or can I keep using it without updates until I find another lightning wallet?
Apple is being forced by EU laws to enable third party app stores by March 2024. Side loading apps is coming to iOS.
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@npub12su7...s8pk
Give @walletofsatoshi a follow
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Node in the phone time
Hard blow, I hope they can return
@Wallet of Satoshi ๐ค๐ผ
Yet I think an APK that could get updated through Obtainium will be nice just in case.
sorry to hear that you're forced to exit the US market amidst the Governments attempt to control and regulate the entire crypto market in the US. I guess this is why we need more non-company app providers so that you can just tell them to fuck off. no company, no attack vector.
Ainda bem que moro no Brasil ๐
This sucks. This will be a serious setback for orange pilling and onboarding new users F
On boarding people to software that complies with the corrupt authoritarian US govt is not doing any real favors for anyone. WoS did the right thing to tell the US govt to GFY
give sideload option!
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Thank you for the service pleb, this is their loss not yours.
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Could you have possibly communicated this in a better way, for example announcing this intention, but giving users a month notice?
There are also many people who use @Wallet of Satoshi who are not regularly on social media. How will they know?
Over the spring/summer I had a phase where I was extremely doubtful of bitcoin, and honestly libertarianism as a whole. I'm in the process of coming out of that funk. Took too many black pills. That said, WoS thing should be a reminder that some black pills are necessary.
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When PWA or .apk?
Land of the Free ๐คก
The amount of reactions says alot to how many people will be rugged
U.S Users with funds within the platform: ๐
Does anyone else notice this is a non-explanation?
Now that we know the truth, I'm less than optimistic than I was yesterday when I played the disappearance down. Voluntarily removing their app from the US app stores is one thing, but doing it on Thanksgiving Day when most American's will be busy and wouldn't notice is another. Any other day could have been chosen.
I wish you the best of luck, WoS, I truly do, but this was a less than optimal plan that was executed badly. If your plans change I'm the future and you come back to US markets or you implement a web version, it will be hard to trust you again.
Sorry Nostriches. I was wrong.
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"Sorry Nostriches. I was wrong."
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>Sorry Nostriches. I was wrong.
Respect for owning it, you've mostly always been reasonable. Time to learn and only "on-board" people the right way, even if it's at the cost of rapid adoption.
And you didnt give even a slight notice ahead of time because...?
self custodian ๐ง
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rumors aside, this is what #wos has done...
#smij is disappointed. by them and many of the shit people are saying. too bad. plenty of shame to go around.
more than ever, we need to #grownostr
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open your code, give wallet our keys
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Holy shit, it wasn't even regulatory! While still not truly a rug pull, this is a piss poor decision based solely on cowardice.
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Amazing
@ODELL was right - RIP WoS
Wooooooooooow! ๐
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This non-explanation explains much
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Why not build a PWA?
And pulled it on one of the biggest national holidays in the nation you're pulling it from? That's politician shit and has nothing to do with peace love or bitcoin.
And again, much like politicians, you don't actually tell us WHY.
I moved my Satoshiโs to Mutiny Wallet but fees are huge.
We have to create a channel to be able to zap in and out. But a good experienced!
Sad to hear you are departing โthe land of the free.โ We have much work and bureaucratic firings that need to happen here. Much love.
Seriously...
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The exits are closing, y'all. Learn how to use decentralized alternatives like bisq.
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Just as we got done orange pilling our relatives at Thanksgiving ๐ฉ
If you keep wanting to be compliant, you aren't going to be on the same side as Bitcoin
please tell us the legal reasons why... Call out the US authorities that don't want their people to have access to free market commodities like Bitcoin.
Maybe the US users can try Phoenix wallet instead?
Ofc.
Yo you guys should reach out to me. I might be able to help you in this matter. cosmichodl@protonmail.com
This seems strange timing.
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That's crazy news.
well well well ๐ฆ @ODELL called it ...custody that isn't your own comes with risks frens
Sad day. Thank you for your service.
Any info on why this is happening? New regulation?
can we continue to use WoS if we aleady have it?
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what happened?
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"Land of the free"
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Phenomenal service. Please consider making WoS Open Source, providing a non-custodial option, direct downloads of the APK and sideloading for iOS.
Why
Because the US government
How
Has anything on this changed? My app just updated from Google Play.
There's this technology called a VPN
If your ability to use a wallet depends on what country you're in, you're doing it wrong.
