What if we replaced follower counts with some other addictive metric in Nostr clients -- but one that was specific to Nostr and could actually work reliably and not be gamed?
(No, I am not talking about zaps, these can also be gamed, and this is not a trivia question, I don't have any answers.)
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To have or not to have followers-counter is the kind of design decision that every client need to figure out itself.
There is a non-questionable absolute metric to mesoure the value of a npub: the value you as a free individual arbitrarly assign to it.
There is a surrogated to that, and it is something like a ponderated median of followers-zaps-interactions-andsoon...
There is a non-questionable and cool way to choose what NPUBs show up first as "suggested": it's doing advertising. Who pays is publicized. @ZEUS does something like that in his website promoting and ranking its contributors.
Simple answer: PoW. It's the only metric that can't be gamed and for which there is no need for consensus.
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What if we replaced follower counts with some other addictive metric in Nostr clients -- but one that was specific to Nostr and could actually work reliably and not be gamed?
(No, I am not talking about zaps, these can also be gamed, and this is not a trivia question, I don't have any answers.)
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I don't even know my follower count and I don't care. Not being shadow banned is worth more than any number of people not seeing the content because of said sb.
What if it was # of people I follow that follow you?
"46 Friends following"
Echo chamber network is the name
There's a lot of value in echo chambers but that phrase only has a negative connotation. As an example, I can immediately have a different conversation with bitcoiners than I can with my neighbors.
Knowing the extent of the echo chamber is a lot more useful than the current "followers" number
Burning zaps. Sure it's a waste but at least it's verifiable.
Number of people you follow who follow them.
What if...
We measure followers based on reactions? The bots aren't zapping, reposting, liking, or doing anything human other then creating hits. So unless they change it base it on interactions?? Even chats could count if the users have done it at least 5x?
Gotta take it easy on the addiction cowboy but good to understand how it works.
Dopamaine hit is pretty powerful. The feeling of success makes a diff. Wordle is a simple game that got millions of people in - easy to solve, gives quick dopamine hit, keeps people coming back for more. In Walter Isaacson’s book, when Steve Jobs started the apps, gamers were the initial user magnet.
Seratonin is powerful too - that’s why people love giving, love learning. And why informative content creation is a hit. Pair this with zaps, wham. And just the right amount keeps away mania.
Oxytocin is wonderful, people who go to Nostr conferences have a different form of connection and gentleness with each other.
Using all this to create a satisfied user is wonderful. Using this to create monsters and zombies are not good.
People also would love platform they can advance themselves. Use cases enables this. 100 diff innovation has 100 diff niche users to start with.
For example, say an indie music platform developer creates his program on Nostr - he/she can’t just assume people will miraculously start using it. He/she needs to go out there and knock on doors and reach out to as many artist.
Am I fabricating this shit ? This actually happened during Punk / Hacker era in 70s and 80s post beatnik. That’s how mix tape started - and more and more independent musicians broke away from labels. Imagine if they had zaps.
But devs cannot keep building stuff and then stay on this platform and whine that no users show up lah. My eyes, ears can bleed from the whining. Obviously users are not gonna show up. Have to go hunt for them.
And no, you don't need some fancy marketing. Just figure out who your target market is and reach out them.
It’s the same for bitcoin as well. Bitcoin has all the potential to be global currency but can only be it, if users use it.
And the same for all innovation. All entrepreneurs have this problem. I do too. No users, no business
And out of everyone they hunt, 90% will fade away but the 10% early adopters will remain and are precious. Keep hunting, keep fine tuning target market, keep growing. Eventually Nostr will explode.
I didn’t stop coming frequently to Nostr because men attack women (women attack men and other women just as nasty here). But I stop coming here frequently because of how privileged and spoilt devs are here. Maybe someday when I’m at a better state myself and won’t feel so bad anymore, I’ll come back more frequently.
I know there are a lot of funds by @jack because he genuinely believes in this. Quite honestly having Jack as safety net only means devs, innovators and entrepreneurs can try like mad to make Nostr work. But surprising its quite the opposite here and I don't understand why. I hope Nostr doesn’t become a government agency-like establishment where everyone gets too comfortable and can get money until they retire.
Open source innovation is different. I think so far only Will has come close to understanding the ecosystem - and that’s because he has guts to put himself out there, try and fail and try again. But if devs don’t try to hunt for users, not wanting to learn beyond what they know, too damn egoistic, and think everyone should worship the ground they walk on, then no matter what drug you wanna infuse users into snorting, it just won’t work.
Related:
@waxwing built a cool new way to prove you own X btc without doxxing the UTXO. Let's gamify the size of your stack. You know...for science.
Web of trust is what makes the most sense to me.
Verification and followers don’t matter.
A trust score that is relevant to the accumulated of the vouchers/connections in the network makes the most sense imo
I arrived for the censorship resistance, I'm staying because of the WOT.
a bunch of llms decide how 'full of knowledge' our accounts are
How feasible is implementing web of trust based on NFTs in #nostr
& weighted zaps as Proof of Reputation (PoR),.
Decentralized Society (DeSoc)
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Within a DeSoc context, SBTs are issued by and held within accounts known as “Souls”. Souls are contract addresses in a wallet that hold SBTs and are used to establish provenance and reputation. Souls can be associated with individuals, organizations, or other entities.
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User reviews from other users..
A #NostrAdvisor review, that of course takes consideration only the reviews/vote/scores made by user and #noatriches you already follow. If they game the reviews or you don't like them, mute their reviews.
I think the most interesting data, if there isn't already a NIP for this, would be a way of synthesizing the reputation of that hash. This would be very useful in implementations with commercial purposes, such as delivery/ride-sharing apps and marketplaces.
(when I say hash, I mean the npub and derivatives)
I don't know if this relates to that, but it might.
I have been thinking about a verification system for Nostr (no, NIP-05 is not verification).
Maybe the amount of verified followers would be a better metric?
This is how I am for distinguishing web of (minimal) trust from Reputation:
- Web of trust is the basic filter that can tap into multiple sources of trust (e.g. social follows, some sort of bootstrap list, nip51 lists, nip29 member lists) and sources are CONFIGURABLE by the user, with sane defaults.
- Reputation gives meaning to this by scoring people based on reviews and other possible metrics. Reviews are filtered through WoT and can be used to help the user make important decisions e.g. in SatShoot to select the right counterparty for a freelance deal.
The key is to understand your users' needs and use the types of events and UX that will help in whatever problem your app solves.
Generic, globalist views of this matter lead nowhere.
THIS:
INSTEAD OF THIS:
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In the veins of building in the open, I'll share my recent ruminations of WoT and Reputation in SatShoot:
Feedback welcome! ( @Pip the WoT guy !)
This plan is about 50% done and it will be complete after "Freelance mode" is implemented (switch between freelance and client role in the app) along with the ability to post your Freelance Services rather than merely Clients posting Jobs.
#wot #grownostr #ux #freelance #satshoot #vertex
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