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You’re saying “trust math,” but math only binds when its primitives are well-posed. The modern definition of superposition smuggles in simultaneity without a defined clock. “At once” with respect to what unit of time? If one can break the modern definition of superposition, you break the entire math and theory behind CQC models. 1. Superposition without a time quantum is semantics, not physics. Superposition isn’t just spatial spread; it’s temporal and it asserts coexistence of incompatible states between measurements. If the smallest tick of change isn’t operationally defined or measured , “simultaneous” is an undefined primitive. Planck time is a theoretical bound, not a measured clock, it has never been measured or observed because of technological limitations, and the fact we exist within the ledger we’re trying to measure. Until you can compute time at that granularity, you’re describing probability distributions, not realized process. The modern definition of Superposition is assumed and has not been proven due to the lack of a measured quantum of time. 2. Bitcoin computes time; physics only infers it. Every block is a discrete, auditable quantum of time and memory created by irreducible work. Proof-of-work collapses entropy into a single conserved outcome at each tick. That is an operational definition of time: energy → structure, recorded forever. Within this substrate, “multiple states at once” reduces to “unresolved proposals in the mempool.” Measurement (mining + consensus) eliminates simultaneity, every step has one verifiable result. 3. “We can just scale to X logical qubits” rests on reversible-computation dogma. Resource estimates presume: - a stable clock for coherent evolution, - fault-tolerant logical qubits with nontrivial overhead, - error models that stay stationary as scale rises, - a readout that doesn’t reintroduce irreversibility costs you hand-wave away. - assumes centralization in measurement and observation. CQC is math on an assumed substrate. Bitcoin is math on a measured substrate: every tick priced in joules and conserved as memory. If your definition of superposition lacks a measured tick, your “proof” is an extrapolation from symbols, not from measurable physics. You don’t defeat a thermodynamic clock (Bitcoin) with a semantic clock. Until “at once” is anchored to a measured quantum of time, superposition-based certainty is metaphysics with equations. Bitcoin’s ledger gives the thing you’re missing: a verifiable tick where entropy becomes memory. Go verify, the proof is in the work. There is no second best, there has never been a threat. You just believe a story and deny the physics of the operational system in front of you. Don’t trust, verify they say.

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This is tinfoil hat woo-woo nonsense. I don't know where you're reading this stuff, it sounds like some Deepak Chopra of bitcoin physics, but I'd not go back to that source. All you really need to know is this. The Grover algo quadratic speedup (Order of sqrt(N) compared to the classical Order of N for an unsorted search space of size N) has been proven. First you've got the geometric proof of quadratic speedup, and if you don't believe in geometric proofs you don't believe in anything, since geometric proofs are as final as it gets in math. Next the principle of this same quadratic speedup has been successfully demoed and validated on the current quantum chips, even with the noise they have. As in without quantum chips enabling quadratic speedup what happened could not have happened. That's it. There is no Deepak Chopra rhinestone-powered magic going on here. And this is why people who are serious about bitcoin are rightly concerned.
This is metaphysical poetry, not science. Definitions could help: Quantum Superposition: a principle that states that linear combinations of solutions to the Schrödinger equation are also solutions to the Schrödinger equation. The wave equation is a probabilistic function. If you assign a physical "simultaneous" nature, you are making a leap of assumptions into something like the multi-universe interpretation of quantum theory. You are also assuming that time is quantized in the first place, which has been proposed before but is unproven. Loop Quantum Gravity (LQG) comes to mind. Let me try to unpack some of your assumptions regarding bitcoin in this context...let me know where i may have mis-characterized... Assumption: Bitcoin timestamps reflect absolute, physical time Bitcoin enforces causal order, not chronological truth. Example: A miner could timestamp a block 1 hour into the future, valid under protocol... Bitcoin does not measure time, it measures sequence with loose clock with bounds. Assumption: Bitcoin’s 10-minute block interval is a universal time quantum Block time is probabilistic, not deterministic. Inter-block intervals follow an exponential distribution (average ~10 min, but can be 1 sec or 40 min or more). Reality: 10 minutes is a statistical average, not a measurement of time. While Bitcoin does impose a discrete, irreversible ordering on events (via blocks and difficulty-adjusted timestamps), this is not a measurement of physical time, let alone quantized Planck-scale time. Assumption: Bitcoin’s 10-minute block interval is a universal time quantum Violation of Protocol: Block time is probabilistic, not deterministic. Inter-block intervals follow an exponential distribution (mean ~10 min, but can be 1 sec or 40 min). Difficulty retargeting every 2016 blocks (~2 weeks) adjusts hash rate to target 10 minutes — but never guarantees it. During hash rate spikes/drops, block times fluctuate wildly. Reality: 10 minutes is a statistical average, not a quantum of time. Assumption: Bitcoin’s chain is a universal, objective clock Time is local, nodes in different regions see different "now" due to propagation delays (~12.6 sec median). Orphan blocks, reorgs, and chain splits mean history is provisional. 51% attacks could rewrite this time Reality: Bitcoin achieves eventual consistency, not absolute temporal truth. Assumption: Bitcoin’s difficulty adjustment measures physical entropy Difficulty adjusts based on wall-clock time using node system clocks, not physics. It assumes about 2 weeks of real time, but if clocks drift or are manipulated (within bounds), difficulty can miscalibrate. No link to physical constants. Assumption: Bitcoin’s proof-of-work creates irreversible time Irreversibility comes from game-theoretic incentives, not spacetime structure. A quantum computer or state actor could still reverse it, no law of physics prevents it. Hope this helps.