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Jumble is open source, you can install a copy and run it yourself. I run it on my Fedora workstation and access it from every machine via a Tailscale VPN

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GitHub - CodyTseng/jumble: A user-friendly Nostr client for exploring relay feeds

A user-friendly Nostr client for exploring relay feeds - CodyTseng/jumble

So it's just the browser pages I thought for a moment that a Jumble server would provide assistance to the client, by being a nostr relay focussed on helping me. It could pre-load all the events from the people I follow, so that whenever I connect via my client (Amethyst or Jumble client, or whatever) it would be faster In any case, I do like Jumble as a client, so I'm tempted to run it even if it's *just* a web server servings the (static) web app

Relays are deliberately separate from clients, except when somebody like Primal creates a caching relay service to do exactly what your suggesting. This has speed advantages (you're not connecting to lots of individual users relays to fetch and order their events, but it is also heavily criticised because it centralises NOSTR. Some would say that Primal is not a NOSTR client because of this, others simply enjoy the speed advantages.

I know relays and clients are separate logically. I was wondering there was an open source system that was a good relay and also hosted a good client

It's possible, but unlikely. Self hosted clients are ideally private, no clearnet access Relays need to be public, full Internet access

Putting aside clients for a moment, what are all the different ways that relays can be used? Would it make sense for me to run relay that does two things: - store the events that I create, in order to help them stay visible if other relays go down. - copy the events of the users that I follow, so that I can access them efficiently, but also so that I have a record of what I have read just in case others try to delete their message. (And I also find it annoying when - in some clients - I see ant even is missing because my client can't find it) (also with a blossom server, playing similar roles) Does that make sense? Although, maybe they should be two separate relays Even though I've used Nostr for a while, and even written some tools that use Nostr, I still feel unsure what is the right thing to do around relays.

Generally media servers (blossom) and relays are separate, but there is no reason why these two services can't sit on the same VPS or server. Running a personal relay gives a great insight into what a relay is and how it works. I spun one up from relay.tools to give me: https://nortis.nostr1.com/ But I've never got round to running my own private strfry relay yet.

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GitHub - hoytech/strfry: a nostr relay

a nostr relay. Contribute to hoytech/strfry development by creating an account on GitHub.

You've now hit the limit of my relay knowledge, so yes I would definitely recommend running your own and understanding them better, then perhaps you can come back and tell me more about them. Especially this Web of Trust stuff that I don't fully understand 😂