Depressingly classic duopoly shit. duopolies present a false dichotomy and generate polarization rage and suck up all the attention. of course there are always more than two options (an infinite number!), and the more the two try to tell you, "not only are there NOT more than two - but there's not even two! i'm the only solution!" the more the "lesser evil" fallacy shows itself.
yes, schelling points are often useful - but they can easily mutate into a malicious antipattern when you mistake the "party" for the goal itself.
you see this in political parties, you see it in culture wars and moral panics, you see it in Bitcoin right now.
i'm not advocating for **A** Third Way in any of the above, but suggesting that you notice - in yourself - when your original abstract goals and ideals get quietly replaced with 'party-as-solution', whatever those goals may be; ethical governance, prosperity, social justice, individual freedom, neutral permisnionless electronic global money...
i don't believe it is possible to "temporarily use a party to get towards your goal and then ditch it later" because they are darwinian organisms that are empowered exponentially by our energy. it only takes a few small injections of energy and attention to nearly permanently entrench the rot as an apex predator. (and you're the prey, obvs, silly)
the only way to win is to not play
> "Certainly the price for refusing [to play] is high, but that there is a price at all points to the fact that oppressors themselves acknowledge that even the weakest of their subjects must agree to be oppressed. If the subjects were unresisting puppets or automatons, no threat would be necessary, and no price would be paid thus"
James Carse; _Finite and Infinite Games_
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i'm coming to realize my mistake in thinking knots was one of those "temporary schelling points useful just for temporarily signalling discontent".
still working out what i should do about it myself. you know i'll blabber on about it when i decide (and then revise and blabber again three weeks later 😆)
Oh lol I thought this was about the two-party system... Could have been written perfectly to describe both small- and big-L libertarian's attitudes towards the GOP.
it's everything
the American political duopoly is the most obvious and well-documented. but there are more abstract concepts there that apply broadly in cybernetic and evolutionary systems and coordination problems, game theory, etc
Yeah I guess many do see it as a core vs knots thing. But again, I'm just anti-core and do not align myself with any party. I just want to separate money from the state god damn it.
anti-core is not pro-knots, i dig.
just like being anti-democrats doesn't make me a rebublican (not to mention the fact that i'm also anti-republicans)
Yeah both will fuck you up, one just does it more slowly than the other. Same circus, different show.
duopoly = state + deepstate
Deepstate = banks + corporations + mafias
maybe. i don't pretend to understand the complexities of the composition (though there are signs) because it doesn't matter - the downstream effects and patterns of behavior are identifiable and avoidable, regardless of those details.
there is a cybernetic aspect to it:
> "...where the effects of a system's actions (its outputs) return as inputs to that system, influencing subsequent action"

Cybernetics - Wikipedia
I agree, but I understand that naming things helps to understand them more clearly and make better decisions based on that.
My previous answer was more of an addition, another way of looking at the duopoly issue.