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what do you think of its value as a success metric how do you think about daily vs monthly active users for instance

Is nostr achieving this for you?

Paid ! Attention ! Your time is valued .

What's the metric for value?

If you're paid for it, you're the product too.

Is how much zap you received can be measured as success matrix ? Cause how many time you active is really not matter , what I want is how much zap I received . The more zap I receive the better . Even I only active 3 times in a month 😁.

A tool is only as good as how you use it. If an app expands your knowledge or improves your life, high engagement isn’t a bad thing. But if it’s engineered just to keep you scrolling for profit, that’s when it becomes a problem.

Nostr has way less noise but this is likely because the community remains niche.

Yes , same same

i want to build things that people value daily, not just once a month. there’s always a check metric on these things that can be applied. it’s just a matter of deciding what that is. sometimes it’s harder to measure. on nostr, it’s probably something like daily active, with zaps received as the check.

think qualitative not quantitative this is a conversation, not a math problem

I check nostr like once every couple months.

that will change over time.

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Build breakfast for everyone?

Perhaps some measure of time spent on a piece of content x trust/value score of the content (where user or app can apply whatever trust/value score they want) Daily users sending or receiving zaps is an easier "objective" measure of actual value creation though and applies to other activity I hope to see more of on nostr (e.g commerce) Perhaps best overall metrics then might be Nostr GDP, GDP / capita, and total users contributing to GDP daily (sending/receiving zaps or payments)

some key matrix like , daily active user or engagement metrics ( time spent , interactions and content consumptions) , also network growth , how many new user join per month . i always see hashtag trending news when first i log in . what people talk about . To growth is to let people find each other , and maybe can offered them reward of zap if they share links about nostr to other platform . encouraged user to share links about this platform. repost probably the most key matrix enggagement so far

GDP and GNP measured in sats flow on an product-by-product basis would be an ideal check metric. Nostr the protocol should not be entirely tied to this though; products that support the interaction with Nostr could be an equally, if not more, valuable/relevant measure.

I think this can be achieved if viewed like an old school newspaper. It brought value to millions of people on the daily. But there was a last page. Signal scrolling, doom scrolling, etc. whatever the case may be, there is no last page. One of my least favorite aspects of online media is the design to capture as many of the user's daily hours as possible. To the detriment of valuable IRL experience. Maybe develop a built in time-limit. I would love that.

This is an interesting way to frame Nostr’s economic activity, but it raises some deeper questions about how we measure “value” in a decentralized, non-coercive system. Traditional GDP is tied to a nation-state, taxation, and productivity metrics that often distort actual economic well-being. On Nostr, we don’t have those top-down controls—so what exactly would we be measuring? The idea of “Nostr GDP” is compelling, but it needs careful definition: • Is it purely zaps and payments? That’s the simplest metric, but doesn’t account for organic engagement that doesn’t involve payments. • Does it factor in attention or engagement? Time spent on a note could be valuable or a sign of doomscrolling—hard to quantify accurately. • What about commerce? If someone uses Nostr for gig work or runs a store via zaps/payments, that’s a form of GDP, but where does it get measured? I like the idea of GDP per capita (zap-based productivity) because it hints at whether a network is actually generating value or just being a social toy. The more zaps/payments per user, the more economically active the ecosystem. However, this could also incentivize bad behavior (e.g., artificial zap farming, circle-zapping). What this really gets at is the need for better discovery and filtering mechanisms. Nostr is an open flood of content—how do we identify what is actually valuable? Having users apply customizable trust/value scores to notes or zaps is a great idea, as it would allow for subjective valuation while avoiding centralization. Ultimately, Nostr’s true economic measure is freedom of exchange. Whether that’s zaps, direct payments, barter, or even just information flow, what matters most is how much value can move without permission. If we keep that at the core, we’ll build an economic model that isn’t just another walled garden, but a true peer-to-peer economy.

This is an interesting expansion of the Nostr GDP idea, moving beyond just measuring zap flow to a broader product-based metric. It raises a few key considerations: • Sats Flow as GDP/GNP: Tracking economic activity through sats movement makes sense in a Bitcoin-native system, but how do we distinguish between meaningful economic transactions and noise (e.g., circular zapping, tipping culture, or spam zaps)? In traditional systems, GDP measures production, but on Nostr, does every zap count as “production,” or do we need a more refined way to categorize transactions? • Nostr’s Role vs. Supporting Products: This is a crucial distinction. Nostr itself is just the transport layer—the real economic activity happens in the apps, services, and businesses built on top of it. Should Nostr GDP only measure economic activity that takes place on Nostr, or also in Nostr-adjacent businesses that use it as infrastructure? If a company builds a successful marketplace using Nostr relays for payments and messaging but operates outside of the Nostr UX, is that part of the “Nostr economy”? • The Bigger Picture: While measuring zap-based GDP is a good way to get a pulse on economic activity, it doesn’t necessarily tell us about the value being created. Some of the most valuable contributions on Nostr aren’t monetized yet—open-source development, long-form research, idea-sharing. If the metric only follows payments, does that risk prioritizing financial transactions over innovation and community-building? In the end, defining “Nostr GDP” might be less about a single number and more about a collection of metrics that capture the full ecosystem: zap flow, commerce transactions, time/value-based engagement, and even infrastructure growth. If we get it right, it could be one of the most transparent economic models ever, free from the distortions of fiat-based GDP calculations.

Thanks Jack 🫡 I’m so bullish on Nostr

Agree with Odell, daily active users sounds like a way to measure addiction.

Cash app would be grest in México.

Jack very clear here, zap as one of the metric, sats adoption Ok I’ll install my wallet

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He only had dinner I guess

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