If you are married and do not yet have kids all I will say is that your life will be drastically better with kids than without them no matter what your financial position is. Stop waiting the right moment. The right moment with the day after you got married.
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have kids or donβt. π€π½
everyone has their own mission.
Every humans mission is literally to have kids. You trying to conquer the galaxy or not?
you saying that doesnβt make it true.
some people donβt want kids and thatβs cool too.
But ... It is true. What's the point of life if not to procreate. That's like the only thing you're supposed to try to do before you die. It's literally nature. To argue otherwise would be to disregard the expansion of mankind. Malthusian.
Iβd say your life is drastically more fulfilling. Agree - just have kids early, nature doesnβt wait.
It will also be harder. Lol but yes, more fulfilling. Responsibility is what yields meaning. That's why we live in a depressed society. People sitting around with no responsibilities wondering why they're so sad even though their life is so easy in comparison to any other time in history.
Yeah, We shouldnβt want an easy life. Struggle, boredom is essential.
Except when it's lethal to the mother.
Well, that would be her choice of course.
Youβd be amazed at the cognitive dissonance that occurs against mothers that choose to free birth. I personally donβt agree with it, and I find it to be the most extreme form of βmy body, my choiceβ with substantial risk for both mother and child; but itβs wild to see how many people want to insert themselves and the medical complex into life-giving because of the safety profile. I donβt have the right answer, but itβs an interesting debate around this topic to watch unfold.
I would absolutely advise people to use modern medicine. The risks are abundantly clear. It's a tough one for sure since modern medicine is full of its own problems. I'm against abortion since it's not just her body. There's another human involved here. But the method of delivery is a grey area. I would probably err on the side to let the mother decide ultimately. Mostly for the same reasons I believe people should be able to decide what vaccines their children receive.
#truth
There is never the right timeβ¦ even if you think you are ready, you arenβt, but you also are a 100% ready, even if you are not at all too
Yes, I have three (ages 22, 21, and 17). I kinda wish I had more. Now Iβm 50, my wife is 51. It feels like I blinked and my babies are all grown up. My oldest just moved to South Korea a couple months ago. I hope they can find good spouses and give me some grandkids. I think I can be a better grandfather than father.
Probably so. You have experience now! The joy in your parents eyes when you tell them you're expecting is priceless.
In general I agree, but would like to point out:
1. Thereβs something to be said for being together a few years before having kids to focus on building a strong foundation in your relationship first. It will set you up to be a better parenting team.
2. Some couples absolutely should not have kids. So this does not apply to everyone.
1. If you don't have a strong foundation in your relationship, you shouldn't be getting married.
2. If you're not having kids, why get married anyways.
1. I completely agree.
2. Your argument doesn't make sense to me, because I can't see where you're coming from.
You can have children without being married β marriage is not a requirement for that.
Through marriage, two people are bonded together with God's blessing. If you believe in God, then according to the Bible, you should not have sex before marriage. That means you marry first and then have children, which invalidates your argument.
If you don't believe in God, why would you even consider marriage just because you want children? Two people can love each other, stay together for life, and raise happy children without ever getting married. Again, this invalidates your argument.
Either you marry because you seek God's blessing, or you don't believe and view marriage as just a piece of paper for tax benefits or other legal advantages. In both cases, marriage itself is not necessary for having children.
That's why I don't understand your point.
I'm both cases, marriage provides a public display of your commitment. Children should be raised by 2 parents. Marriage provides assurance in both cases. A commitment to each other either in front of God or the state.
Yeeeaaaahhhh no. No thanks.
Your loss.
Based on what I know and have seen, not at all. But you do you. Someone has to make more warm bodies to keep the species going. Glad you volunteeted.
If you don't have kids, you know nothing of how they change your life.
I have eyes to see, ears to hear and understanding of time management as well as cost-benifit analysis. Plus there's all the research:

Motherlode Blog
Does Having Children Make You Unhappy?
Do we have a rosy view of parenthood? And, if so, are those colorful blinders somehow fitted for us by nature?
And zero wisdom.
I could say the same about you.
Except you really can because I have children and you don't. That means factually I have more wisdom than you on the subject.
Do you know what wisdom means?
Yes, do you?
I don't have children and I'm not married, financially single that's how it is!
You better start dating then. Your time is running out. Your finances have no bearing on your actions. I'm not sure what financially single means.
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No, completely wrong.
Right moment is the wedding night. Slacker. π
Dam you're so right... I guess we did practice on the wedding night. π€·π»
agree but i wouldn't recommend it if you marry your cousin
Lol
Depends on the global population. But yea, you should avoid that unless we get to a few hundred people left. π
Agree 100% πͺ
You will never be ready to have kids
Nobody's ever ready for it
If we waited until we were ready to do something the world would come to an end
Mine got so much worse - in my head. Such a steep learning curve full of insomnia, neurosis, parental regression and panic attacks with heart rate hitting 215 for 15 minutes even few times a day.
Then I found out it was really in my head, because my parents kinda suck big time, I just melted down with babies and went through a LOT of own shit in extremely short time while being constantly extremely busy.
Parenting can kill you. It's ok to hate it for a bit. It's bloody difficult and you feel no shame for not worshipping the nonstop care like instagram and homeschool parents do.
But once you're ok with recieving the biggest love of your life, absolutely pure feeling from another being, unconditional and so fragile, you'll skyrocket and neve go back down. Let your own shit go and just accept your child unconditionally. I promise it'll be extremely hard and rewarding many times that much.
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If you are married and do not yet have kids all I will say is that your life will be drastically better with kids than without them no matter what your financial position is. Stop waiting the right moment. The right moment with the day after you got married.
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100% agree -kids make the world better


I cannot agree or disagree.
But I want to find out.
40. Single. Searching.
Maybe kids one day π€·πΌ
Itβs hard out there for an emerging pleb surrounded by NPCβs
Search hard brother. Be very upfront with your dates. You need to be going on a first date like once a week. You don't have much time. It's already too late for most women your age.
Thanks dude. First goal is to relocate.
I truely feel your sentiment. Waking up to the nonsense and realizing life ainβt about status is a hard pill after several careers.
Iβm owning my past ignorance and making changes.
Don't be afraid to let a woman work on you. You'll both have to continue making changes on each other as you grow together anyways.
Yes, wish I had married and started sooner.
Raising kids is one of the most rewarding things on earth. My kids gave my life a meaning. Butβ¦
Raising kids will be one of the toughest jobs on earth. You will be constantly confronted with your own shortcomings and every little thing you buried deep down your soul will be brought back. You will get to know why sleep deprivation is a form of torture.
Constantly aware of your own shortcoming. It's the most humbling experience.
Due in June. Stoked.
Congrats man. The first 6 months is the hardest part. Don't say I didn't warn you!
Every 6 months are new challenges
That's certainly true.
The sleep deprivation is the worst in the first 6.
You learn so much. I swear we are given kids to learn
I slept with mine on my chest. As soon as they stirred, I was on it. I don't remember having too bad a time
Anyone got 1000 sats to spare
2nd time Iβve see you begging.
Earned a mute.
Being a parent makes you responsible for someone else that you care more about than yourself.
βItβs rewarding af.
Being a selfish bachelor might sound full filling but it wears thin.
Some of the most unhappy people I know are 50yo+ couples with no kids.
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I agree with you. Children are a blessing
Sure bro. You didnt tell them about the moments where you wanna punch your three year old in the mouth. God made babies and toddlers cute as hell to keep them alive I swear. Love 'em to death tho. π
Upbring under the Bitcoin standard. Think of finding or creating a Bitcoinized school or homeschooling curriculum. If they live under the fiat standard, we will regret having them in the future (as many parents now do).