It's so bizarre to me that we can spend over a $1,000 on a phone but we are allowed so little control over it's operating system. And people just accept that as normal.
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I think there is really a niche being carved out for privacy centric phones
Most people don't need a 1k phone for basic functionalities they are using.
Way too many of them but it for the sake of showing their status. Kinda like cars. Driving a BMW with a huge hole in their bank account.
My phone was $100 (au$ so like $60 in American dollars)
I can't understand why anyone would pay a $1000 for a phone, it's only iPhone and Samsung that cost that much anyway.
New pixels run about that too. I'm still rocking the 7 but it's starting to get a little glitchy.
People can’t read a map anymore - normal is long gone
Lol you pay $1000 and then you don't even get a damn set of headphones, charging block, a headphone jack or even a home button!
All of the danger and controversy about messaging platforms/companies being required to install master keys (colloquially called “backdoors”) into their encryption algorithms by western governments so these governments can spy on citizens en masse—all of that goes away if the phones we carry were general-purpose computers (like our desktop computers).
The mathematician-cryptographers solved the problem of how to communicate privately. And the free software movement wrote the code and provides the software freely.
With general-purpose computers, governments can’t pressure an Apple or a Microsoft to remove a software title from your computer—cause it’s your computer. And there’s no such thing as a company like Signal having to threaten an oppressive government that they’re going to pull out of their market/territory. With general-purpose computers, peers just run the software they want to run, and they communicate peer-to-peer.
So why do we tolerate closed, controlled devices?
I want to have zero control or obligation toward my phone. I want to be able to despise it, knowing it will get the job done whenever I need it.
Nize point , letz then pay exlusive shit and make them happybwill see how dump they are
Little control, plus the fact that you pay on top with all your data. It's really fucked up.
The worst part is that the majority of people, if offered the option, would gladly pay more to have less control over the OS.
That's why I could never buy an Apple device. And why I'm reluctant to switch to Windows 11.
It's time to try Linux! It's a lot easier than you think. I mostly recommend Linux Mint as the most solid distribution for desktop. If you want something more like MacOS try Elementary. If you have to have it look like Windows and run Windows executables out of the box I hear Zorin is nice.
I used to run Ubuntu, but that was 6 or 7 years ago. Moved back to Windows because of the tools I use for work.
But it seems I'm mostly using tools in a browser now. That's why getting back to Linux is more attractive. I was looking at Pop! OS, and Fedora. But I'll check your recommendations. Thanks.
We buy the device but they control the rules. This isn't ownership, it's subscription to their walled garden.
sadly it is true. we give up control over convenience. some people do not notice it until their livelihood is on the line, until it becomes a hindrance to their freedom. 😬
Graphene is just the first step. Bitcoiners need to step up a start investing in hardware production and develop a privacy focused device and accompanying OS.
Bitcoiners, Nostrochers, and open sourcers in general are largely focused solely on software. There's little, if anything, in the way of collective hardware development.
If there were some well-established funding and collaboration structure, I would produce some simple solutions myself in various areas, but unfortunately there isn't. It's immensely easier and more financially viable to develop it yourself and sell the project to a centralized company.
I'm thinking about different devices for different uses. Like, a traditional public phone, and a separate private one.
GrapheneOS already intends to become more independent from the Google Pixel, it will be a matter of time until it becomes available for more independent and privacy-focused phones.
We need to change that and start putting our money where our mouth is.
Yes, but most bitcoiners don't invest in much other than bitcoin...
In general, they prefer to lend support to some projects in the form of ideas or work, when they see fit, but even in these cases, it's not the norm.
Can you control your car or tv operating system?! Just don't buy it and stop blaming the companies. Some people aint as tech savi as you are but just need things to work for them. That is why i love the markets they sort themselves out. If you need an open source project then buy that and if you need a closed one like apple then buy one. Simple.
It is not that simple. Google and Apple use unethical practices to stop alternatives from entering the market. Even big software companies from outside the US have a very difficult time gaining traction.
But they can only exist if we give them our money. Without us buying their products they nolonger exist. Once people find a better alternative, am sure they ll switch.
Unfortunately, Windows is bringing that trend to desktop computers as well. Win11 has done a lot for desktop Linux adoption. Still, too many are frogs being brought to a boil.
Yes. Cattle with fancy gadgets.
100% and that they are willing to pay $1000 for a phone but not $5 a month for more privacy oriented services.
Or people think you must be doing something illegal for using privacy focused tools