“If the developers are shown to be able to censor, then they will become required to censor.”
Andreas the GOAT. He’s the reason I got started in the first place, and this is the final word on the debate as far as I’m concerned.
Running Bitcoin Core 30. Not sorry, GFY.
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Same here on both counts
Which debate?
The most highly regarded one, about spam on-chain.
Define spam? What does that have to do with v30?
Nobody can. That’s the neat part. I won’t debate it anymore.
Just questions. Was trying to extrapolate the GOAT and the version. 🤷♂️ G’day to ya.
I think if you watch the clip and DYOR for 10 minutes, you‘ll understand the point I’m making.
Love Andreas. Just trying to understand after 10 minutes…. Knots vs Core? Red vs blue? Core v29 vs v30? Sorry, just not making the connection to the version.
Node with 100kb default (but adjustable) OP_RETURN limit vs node with 83byte OP_RETURN limit
Thank you! Wasn’t sure; context to the video wasn’t clear to me with regard to specifics. But that makes sense.
Not a fan of adjusting defaults, but there is no clear option other than this. The other “options” available are to support a project with one ideological developer or stagnate. It’d be nice if there were more versions with deeper development base, but there aren’t.
Just not going to wear a v30 button. That doesn’t make any sense either. 😔
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You are relaying spam for no reason.
There is a clear reason for me to relay transactions regardless of what's inside them. It's because they are concensous. I don't care what's in your transaction because you shouldn't care what's in mine.
Let's change the rules is a different discussion.
I’m not going to relay your shit if the total size of the “transaction” is 100x bigger than even a huge batch payment. I don’t have to know or care what it is.
Bitcoin is not for data storage. It’s for money.
Sounds like you need a different coin then man. Idk what to tell you.
No I’m just not gonna relay huge obvious spam. Just like actual bitcoiners have always been doing since 2014
Andreas is the GOAT. Great post
Andreas is human and fallible.
He was a Covid Crank and is wrong about the Bible.
I am still agnostic about the Core vs Knots, but caution following personas as I still believe "Everyone is a scammer".
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Is this recent?
Yeah, must have just dropped because suddenly it’s everywhere.
Gotta get him on Nostr!
I wish.
what censor?
Smart move.
What's that called the Freudian touch?
Running Knots v29.2 until libbitcoin-node v4 is ready.
Sick of anyone pretending these two groups are all we have to choose from.
When the mempool and the utxo set are all we can argue over, opt out of both.
Meanwhile, Andreas did a lot of good. He also wrote the book on Ethereum.
Satoshi himself could come along and an appeal to authority would still be a logical fallacy.
Bitcoin is money not data storage no matter who says what. Run knots
So transaction aren’t data?
Got it?
It really is lol
Imo it’s not a matter of censorship. Core 30 changed and increased data limits and sizes that were set in the original code. It’s like trying to alter the US constitution in an attempt to “modernize” it. There’s some things that best left alone. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty firm on that belief.
Still seems to be missing the point..
I would expect nothing less from an ethereum promoter.
Why even put a 100k limit? Let's go big! Let's do 1TB op_returns. Or even better, let's put infinite size op_returns.
If an op_return limit is censorship, we've had censorship for a long time in bitcoin.
The pruning argument is really bad too. That means no archival nodes. That means no electrum servers too.
Really bad takes. But he's been doing those for a long time now.
Homosexual shitcoiner
That line nails it: once devs can flip a censor switch, every regulator will demand it. Protocols need the can’t, not the won’t. Running Core is voting with your CPU.
He's a shitcoiner and so are you. By your retarded logic anything less than turning bitcoin into another ethereum is censorship.
midwit take, poor understanding of the situation, copy paste core talking points.
you just wanna reply to him irl and shut him up at every poorly constructed argument. sad to watch. such poor understanding.
Sad to watch his decline over the years. Interesting how it mirrors the decline of core.
i can imagine myself in similar shoes to his in a different timeline.
sometimes you forget to question yourself when you keep seeing others around as dumb. it puts you in a rabbit hole of bad ideas. and you dont realize until the things you caused touches you back. and then its a long journey getting out of the hole.
many has a midwit era. but if you are stuck there as a middle aged man, then that's a problem.
not to mention nothing he says in the video makes sense in the context of reality, and what things are. you can stop him multiple times while he talks and correct him. everything he says built on false information that's also built on false information, and some are built on to each recursively.
I lost him right at the beginning when he said:
"A person's contemt is another person spam" ... that's like saying "A person being mugged is another person's job" LOL
its worse, he said:
"one person's spam is another person's content"
wtf "content" is doing on bitcoin?
content is spam on bitcoin.