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I listened to the What Bitcoin Did Saylor podcast, and I really want to respond, though that may be unwise. But I want thoughtful, fearless content in my feed, so I should start making some, right? Firstly, while analogies can provide useful guide rails for understanding, listening to people *arguing* using analogies makes you stupider. Debate the thing itself, not the words about the thing: it hurts my head to even think about doing this, so I won't. Let's set my priors first: I assume we're talking about technically solid, well-vetted, backward compatible protocol changes: this is the minimum bar. I don't wholesale agree with Saylor's "don't threaten anyone's investment" hard limit. This has happened multiple times in the past, from the dust limit breaking SatoshiDice, enabling Lightning threatening miner fees (real or not), and segwit breaking stealth ASICBoost. These interests can, and will, stand up for themselves and will compete against other benefits of changes. To be explicit: I consider any protocol change which makes block space usage more efficient to be a win! Obviously Saylor is invested in Bitcoin the asset, and can afford to do all his business onchain in any conceivable scenario. His projection of a Bitcoin world in which there are 100,000 companies and governments who use Bitcoin as the base layer is interesting: 1. This does not need "smart contracts", just signatures. By this model, Bitcoin Script was a mistake. 2. It can work if Bitcoin does not scale and is incredibly expensive to spend and hold. By this model, the consumer hardware wallet industry is a dead-end and needs to pivot to something else (nostr keys, ecash?) 3. You could do this with gold, today? Bitcoin here is simply an incremental, not fundamental, improvement. I think this is suggestive, though: that such a network would not be long-term stable, and very much subject to capture. 4. In this view, Saylor is simply a gold bug with first mover advantage, shilling his bags. That's fine, but it's important to understand people's motivations. 5. This vision does not excite me. I wouldn't have left Linux development to work on making B2B commerce more efficient. I wouldn't get up at 5:30am for spec calls, and I sure as hell wouldn't be working this cheap. I believe we can make people's UTXOs more powerful, and thus feel a moral responsibility to do so. This gives them more control over their own money, and allows more people to share that control. I assume that more people will do good things than stupid things, because assuming the other way implies that someone should be able to stop them, and that's usually worse. I believe the result will be a more stable, thus useful, Bitcoin network. I am aware that this will certainly benefit people with very different motivations than me (Saylor). Thanks for reading, and sorry for the length!

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For better it worse, the sophistication of scripting doesn't seem to matter: if you give $1M to the first non-coinbase tx in a block, eventually miners will write systems to take that money :( If you write any protocol where you let miners choose the winner, you get this problem if the effect of winning is economically significant. Of course you shouldn't create protocols that stupid, but when there's a race to collect money from gullible people, engineering very much takes a back seat. The real defence seems to be that economically useful actions on Bitcoin can outspend stupidity over the long term. I certainly hope this continues, and I suspect (though cannot prove!) enabling more people to use Bitcoin economically will further tip the balance in its favor.
Shitcoiners will stream into these covenants like you wouldn’t believe, and guess who will be more than happy to oblige them, miners. Then you need a server farm and huge bandwidth to mine and now it’s effectively an unlimited block size system. I’m starting to think covenants are a psyop to get us to break bitcoin. I’d take a modest blocksize increase over covenants; that and zero sync would be much healthier.
Thanks Rusty for your insight. I like your point that Saylor's self-interest will have to fight against other's people self-interest, like everybody else. We will will see what is the self-interest that wins. In the end, a consensus will be reached, as always...