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Holy shit, I think I just realized a direct and concrete way that I’ve personally experienced to how #Nostr completely changes the social incentives: β€’ Rage and hateful posts on Twitter get the most attention. β€’ Positive and happy posts on Nostr get the most zaps. It really was just monetization all the time. When attention is the currency, negativity and hate rise to the top because the platforms need people arguing. When sats directly from peers are the currency, value rises to the top. (Anyone else feel they’ve had this same experience?)

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The biggest story around Nostr isn’t censorship resistance. It’s the total reshaping of the incentive structure on the Web. The platform silos currently hold most of the power, but Nostr will shift it to users and content creators. This will become more obvious as we build out the tools for users and content creators. Zaps are just the starting point. Exciting times ahead. View quoted note β†’
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Guy Swann's avatar Guy Swann
Holy shit, I think I just realized a direct and concrete way that I’ve personally experienced to how #Nostr completely changes the social incentives: β€’ Rage and hateful posts on Twitter get the most attention. β€’ Positive and happy posts on Nostr get the most zaps. It really was just monetization all the time. When attention is the currency, negativity and hate rise to the top because the platforms need people arguing. When sats directly from peers are the currency, value rises to the top. (Anyone else feel they’ve had this same experience?)
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I don’t think so. Some negative content can be valuable. Value isn’t negative or positive because value is subjective. I value posts making fun of statists whereas others might hate it. I think what nostr does do is allow people to connect with those who have similar values. A lot of monero fans like to shit on bitcoin. Bitcoiners think it’s negative but monero fans don’t. They would zap each other on those β€œnegative” posts if monero could integrate into nostr πŸ˜‚
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You should welcome criticism. That's the crucible for improvement. Assume Monero is a complete dead-end, if nothing else, those Monero reply guys helped put pressure on Bitcoiners to bring more privacy solutions to shut them up. Win/win imo. To your last sentence, Nostr already has a couple Monero integrations: https://anarkio.codeberg.page/nostril/#/home/
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GitHub - retrnull/garnet: A fork of Amethyst with Monero tipping support
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My fellow brethren, Mr Swann today has indeed identified and articulated the how and why this shit is holy.
Guy Swann's avatar Guy Swann
Holy shit, I think I just realized a direct and concrete way that I’ve personally experienced to how #Nostr completely changes the social incentives: β€’ Rage and hateful posts on Twitter get the most attention. β€’ Positive and happy posts on Nostr get the most zaps. It really was just monetization all the time. When attention is the currency, negativity and hate rise to the top because the platforms need people arguing. When sats directly from peers are the currency, value rises to the top. (Anyone else feel they’ve had this same experience?)
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With #value4value, quality rises to the top. Always has been. #v4v
Guy Swann's avatar Guy Swann
Holy shit, I think I just realized a direct and concrete way that I’ve personally experienced to how #Nostr completely changes the social incentives: β€’ Rage and hateful posts on Twitter get the most attention. β€’ Positive and happy posts on Nostr get the most zaps. It really was just monetization all the time. When attention is the currency, negativity and hate rise to the top because the platforms need people arguing. When sats directly from peers are the currency, value rises to the top. (Anyone else feel they’ve had this same experience?)
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i don't think it is about money. it is about 'vibes'. hateful people are seeking (attracting) hateful people outside. happy people are attracting the happy on nostr. everyone is content in their 'vibe chamber'. if someone only knows hate, they will stay on twitter just to feel alive. because most people have forgotten how to be happy. it does not compute.
This is why I try to do only zaps. WTF is a "like" except another entry in a database.
Guy Swann's avatar Guy Swann
Holy shit, I think I just realized a direct and concrete way that I’ve personally experienced to how #Nostr completely changes the social incentives: β€’ Rage and hateful posts on Twitter get the most attention. β€’ Positive and happy posts on Nostr get the most zaps. It really was just monetization all the time. When attention is the currency, negativity and hate rise to the top because the platforms need people arguing. When sats directly from peers are the currency, value rises to the top. (Anyone else feel they’ve had this same experience?)
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Here's my theory. People on Twitter adapt their message to fit within the constrainsts of the character limit. As a result of the compacted and cryptic message with little space to express nuances, readers can be predicted jump to wrong conclusions, which generate unnecessary side-debates. Here on Nostr we have the *space* to include the nuances that we have in mind and it is far easier to avoid misreadings.
Agreed and to add, it hit me during last weeks 2024 Bitcoin Nashville conference watching remotely online, with the sophistication level of AI assisted compute power now available in the hands of scammers, traditional social media platforms across all non-PUB/PRIV key platforms are obsolete… if your not on #Nostr, well then…. image
nicely put! can you help me close this gap in my thinking - web2 discovery mechanisms served content which held the users attention the longest. long app usage times = more ad revenue. in nostr, positive and happy posts get the most zaps - i hear you so does it mean that we were following the chasing the wrong metrics all along? i suppose crypto’s ability to incentivise sustainable hyper local growth means we no longer need to scale to a billion users for every app? hyper local sustainable economies is the way?
I think it's the lack of algorithm that does that, more than anything else. I've noticed that Facebook seems to show my posts primarily to those most likely to be angered by them, rather than to those most likely to appreciate them. And then because the algorithms are also built "the rich get richer" style (those with more interaction stay higher in the feed) that feeds into itself. I miss the time-based feeds (esp. on Pinterest) that allowed little-known content to be discovered if you logged on at the right time to see it.