For the record, Atheists are as wrong as bible beaters.
There is no proof either way
Your faith and your bible verses are proof of nothing
Feels are not proof
And by the way I am not offering you proof of anything. Just doubt.
Iβll bet on doubt every time
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I wish more Christians were logical enough to accept this. I personally don't even think it's important whether or not Jesus existed. But my faith is just that, mine. The more modern Christians embrace their religion as a personal relationship with "Christ", the better off we will all be, and this would kill the hypocrisy everyone accuses the church of.
Faith is trust, and trust is established through a reasoned assessment and assurance that the object of that faith is trustworthy. Faith is neither blind nor superstitious no wishful thinking nor *only* personal.
Reducing faith to merely a personal relationship with Christ that has no real weight of objective truth behind it and no real requirements on the world is antithetical to the Biblical definition of faith and is one of the biggest reasons the West is on the suicidal path it has taken.
Reducing the worlds problems to "y'all mfers need Jesus" negates that the crusades were done in the name of Christ. Jesus was an individual savior, nothing you can do will save your nation or family.
Sire I believe all those miracles happened, but there is 0 way to say they objectively happened, so they cannot, by definition, be objective truth. Your "requirements" are works based salvation... Papist go home lol
There is a way to say they happened objectively: direct perception. Unfortunately most of us are still a long ways away from the ability to make that perception. Itβs inspiring enough having the perceptions I am already having on the path.
PS True faith is that perception only partially conscious.
The King James Version was a Government sponsored project. [Sips tea]
Kinda...sorta...in a way...not really though.
KJV was based primarily on Tyndale's work.
Tyndale was executed as a heretic decades before James even became king.
Doubt is the shifting sand of uncertainty, which can lead to being paralysed.
Faith in Jesus is a sure foundation which can lead to a stability of confidence.
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." - Rev. William Wright 1888
Logically there is proof this world is created and therefore created by somone.
Yes! The aliens that 3d printed the earth and everything on it were super clever!!!
Created?
Someone?
How?
I don't see any evidence of simulation theory.
Both are equally wrong but both are equally right.
That goes for any religion including the religions that masquerade as secular entities.
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The consequences of being a nonbeliever and being wrong are MUCH greater than the consequences of believing and being wrong. Logically you canβt be 100% certain. So then logically it would make more sense to believe.
So should i go through the motions if I don't believe? Wouldn't God see through this?
Definitely would. I think people always struggle with faith, no matter who you are. All I can tell you is that I am going through the motions myself and itβs only made me better. And I have more belief than I did before I started.
Believe what? Itβs not clear what is at stake.
Perhaps you would develop faith.
I was raised going to church and stopped going after I moved out of my parents. I am trying to read the bible for the first time now.
Pascal wants his wager back.
Iβm in a similar situation but we didnβt actually go when I was young. So far the faith has been more like developing a muscle over time rather than a 100% on, 100% off type thing. Just my experience.
I kinda feel like worshipping the wrong god would be more offensive to God than just living a decent life and not being a bigot.
God is probably more offended by hate from fake Christians towards the rest of humanity than anything else.
Christian god will send you for the flames same as another god follower
start with the scientific analysis of the shroud of turin or the tilma or the eucharistic miracles or the incorruptable bodies of certain saints. Or, the archaeological evidence in support of the biblical narratives. or the cosmological explanation of the star of bethlehem.
This thread did not disappoint lmao thank you!
The entire 3D universe sits on the back of a cosmic 4D turtle which swims through the void endlessly.
The cosmic turtle has always existed and will always exist.
It doesn't care about us, we are less significant to it, then the bacteria on our skin is to us.
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