CD183: NVK - COINKITE AND COLDCARD
- @DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞
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When creating a passphrase using the Coldcard MK4, is it possible to specify and differenciate Underscores from Spaces?
can't remember, test
- Coldcard hardware wallet features and security (about 50% of content)
- Bitcoin security and sovereignty discussions (about 10%)
- User onboarding stories and habits (mobile vs desktop wallets) (about 5%)
- Travel and border security considerations with Bitcoin wallets (about 5%)
- Seed management strategies including SeedXOR, passphrases, multisig (about 5%)
- Inheritance and family planning for Bitcoin assets (about 5%)
- Comparisons to other hardware wallets like Trezor (about 5%)
- Backup strategy debates: iCloud versus sovereignty (about 5%)
- Roadmap and future product developments for Coinkite (about 5%)
- Related tools and wallets: Cove Wallet, Sparrow Wallet, Bull Wallet (about 3%)
- Privacy-enhancing tools and protocols: White Noise MLS, AI Bots (about 2%)
- Community aspects: Nostr adoption, moderation, social connections (about 2%)
The episode’s main focus is on Coldcard’s comprehensive security features and design philosophy, while the rest of the topics provide context around Bitcoin user experience, security culture, and future product vision.
Love to see two good pals having a heated debate on some important issues 🫂
Seemed productive too with the unilateral exit bitkey option thing.
I don't mean to sound too critical - because I know it's still kinda new - but what's going on with Cove wallet? I've heard both @ODELL and @DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 plugging it at least a few times over the past few months. But, according to the github, there haven't even been any new releases since June - and back then, it looked promising but clearly still had some big issues to work through. It's a little hard to believe you guys have actually put it to the ringer enough to justify your endorsement.
have helped with feedback and testing as @Praveen Perera builds it out
definitely early but very promising
Thanks for the clarification. Definitely promising.
I was particularly impressed with Cove's integration of the different test coin networks. I wish more wallets similarly gave test coins the respect they deserve. I can only wonder how many precoiners are scared away from a self-custody wallet (or bitcoin altogether) just because they don't feel comfortable jumping right in without being able to practice first.
I’ve been working on the android version, but after that there will be more regular releases.
What are you missing most in it?
If memory serves, I was having trouble exporting a psbt file (so that I could sign it from within sparrow wallet). First, trying to communicate with sparrow via QR wasn't working; but, I couldn't tell if that was a problem with Cove, Sparrow, or me. So, I tried exporting the psbt file instead (to either Signal or the iPhone Files app) so that I could then import into Sparrow; but Cove failed to export the file to either.
To be clear, this was all just in testing, so to say I'm "missing" this specific functionality would probably be a bit of an overstatement... but it seems like basic enough functionality that I lost interest in trying to find out what else I could break. I do look forward to giving a thorough beating to the next iteration, though, as long as it seems like it's up to the task. 😉
That sounds like a bug that shouldn’t happen, I haven’t run into it, are you on the version from the App Store? If so if you could try it again and DM me maybe we could figure it out. That would help me out a lot. Thanks for the feedback.
I'd be happy to try to help... it may be a day or 2 before I'm ready to, though.
It was definitely from the Apple App Store. When I'm ready, I'll make sure I can repeat it again, and let you know. And, assuming I can indeed repeat it, I figure it's probably best if I just log an issue on your Github? (I'd be using the same handle)... then we can continue our troubleshooting from there?
PS. I considered logging an issue on your Github to start with, but I figured it was so obvious you would have it fixed by the next release anyway, so I decided to just wait (I guess maybe it turned out not to be that obvious after all).
Sounds good thank you! GitHub issue works. I think it might be some sort of edge case cause you’re the first to report on it. And I haven’t run into myself.
I was able to get to it today after all; and, I was indeed able to repeat the problem. Here's the link to the issue in I logged in Github. All do what I can to help you figure it out; and I'm looking forward to hearing what makes it an edge case; but otherwise, good luck! 😉
GitHub
bitcoinppl/cove
Cove - The simple bitcoin wallet. Contribute to bitcoinppl/cove development by creating an account on GitHub.
BTW, I doubt there's anything you can do about it, but it looks to me like someone's mining your Github issues looking for a sucker they can 'help':
https://github.com/example32/support/issues/97
Great rip. The issue I think @ODELL overlooks is that there is zero incentive for influencers to use open platforms. Influencers thrive within the frameworks of control and they would never give up control over the narratives they have crafted to continue using their influence for economic gain. Having helped to build a now defunct social media site that sought to make it hard to censor anyone it is the biggest take away….you will not get a lot of influencers to use your site if you take the control away from those influencers.
influencers will move to nostr last
that is fine
Maybe even preferred.
We can hope. The influencer industrial slop complex is the real threat.
Thanks for pushing back against nvk instead of letting him claim to be the only expert. Thanks for asking nvk to understand different use cases for signing devices.