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nostr wins if it stops trying to be a twitter clone and starts being the invisible layer underneath apps you actually want to use. like bitchat for location-based messaging, diVine for entertainment, whitenoise for private messaging, zap.stream for streaming, shakespeare for vibe coding, etc. it wins by unbundling into 50 different apps that all talk to each other, rather than one giant app/corp that traps you. it's all about the ecosystem.

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Are you happy with how andotherstuff.org is being run? I liked the idea, but frankly it did not deliver on it's promise of community involvement, transparency etc. andotherstuff.org (the website) seems to have the right ideas to add in more devs and community, but it is just a boilerplate website of dead promises. So why not move forward on that? Just lacking a leader on both projects I suppose? Is this an inherent problem with these non profits, is transparency is a threat to the model? I'm a previous opensats recipient btw, the project is doing OK but could do so much more.. I could do more. My last application/proposal may have been too ambitious, because I am ambitious. I am looking to disrupt, create community and accelerate here but all I got back was a boilerplate rejection. How am I supposed to guess at what needs doing, what my mistakes may have been, and apply my skills where they are needed? Opensats invested in me and my projects in the past, why is it so nebulous to determine a path forward afterward? πŸ€” Happy black friday πŸŽ‰
Agreed. Nostr is part of a zero-knowledge trust (ZNT) ecosystem. Started building ZNT last week, with Nostr as the first authorisation protocol. The reason was the only viable option is Hashicorp's vault technology. That would mean us being able to administer customer's trading portfolio keys. There are other Magic 7 implementations that suck, OAuth. Incidentally, X blocked out Cryptostatto account for talking about Nostr and sharing a get endpoint. Everything AI automated BS.
It wins with all those other apps but also with the ones that compete with X.com! If in the US, X might be censorship resistant, that is not the case in most of other jurisdictions where Musk just does deals that involve X. So yeah, nostr also needs to be a clone for Twitter.
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@jack It would be desirable if Nostr one day achieved the same status as X (Twitter). If you want to stay up-to-date, you currently have to use X. If you were to use Nostr exclusively, you might still be largely trapped in the Bitcoin bubble. X is 14 years older than Nostr. But with a little patience, the time will come that the Nostr community is hoping for. So grateful that #Nostr exists πŸ™
Nostr wins if it allows us to keep posting whatever we want. Truly keeps the 1st amendment. I can't even see the posts from people I follow in X. It's the most annoying thing. Twitter used to win when you were around because people felt in community. I joined twitter only for the tech community. The community was thriving. The tech community in X is dead. RIP. People no longer share their code. View quoted note β†’
Nostr is going to be out of grave importance when certain groups find this place to do some strategic moves... this place is the only place you will see in the future where real rebels interact. No one needs celebrities... We need smart courageous people instead. THAT WILL SHAPE NEW SOCIETY !!!!
I agree, but to your credit @jack, you and team tapped into a sweet spot for engagement with Twitter (short messaging, embedded video and images, etc). So, I don’t think it’s an either or….i think it’s matter of everything you said about Nostr being a base protocol for 50+ useful apps AND one or more of those being Twitter-like. @primal and @Damus have the market on this. Excited about future for all Nostr based apps.
Yes agreed which is why we are developing NOSTR fundraising as a value play with incredible upside and zero downside. No cost, no risk, cancel anytime, very simple yet very powerful when NOSTR, Bitcoin and ecash are combined with lightning of course and an easy way to adopt freedom tech without understanding anythingπŸ™‚ Thank you Jack. The way you have incorporated square is ideal and a huge value prop which could be exclusive to square on a subscription side but open on the benefit side to all.
Have you listened to Dr. Robert Epstein (
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) lay out the insidious influence Google and Facebook exert on behavior on Rogan and Danny Jones? Listening the other day, I couldn’t help but think of nostr and the potential of distributed consensus networks as the backbone of an antidote. @jack keeping eyes on the prize again. View quoted note β†’
I guess it will get massive adoption when the underlying technology gets invisible. Nobody wants to configure network connections and sync stuff but everyone want collaborative coding/authoring for codes/docs and cloud shared saves of data. When that becomes as easy as google drive/office integration, nostr has won and Bitcoin with it.
Ex-Twitter got so insufferable. Itβ€˜s super toxic and I realised it affected me horribly so I finally will try out being on here as I think this is a much nicer app. May I ask respectfully why you sold or why you came back with Nostr/primal? Did you find X so terrible that you just had to come back with social media people could enjoy again? πŸ˜ƒ
Two thoughts on this: 1. We need to get out of the mindset of β€œbuilding nostr apps”. We simply need to build great products that people want to use, and Nostr will be the underlying protocol. So totally agree with Jack on this. 2. In the long run, we will absolutely displace X and other closed platforms. It will be a grind, but we will wrestle away the network effects from gradually, then suddenly. View quoted note β†’
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A cocktail of half-built apps isn’t going to win us anything. A handful of incredible black holes that millions of people use and hop between with the same nsec will make us win. Instead of 50 apps, maybe it’ll only be 3 or so at first… the infinite slop machine is not the way. Cloning TikTok/Vine feels like a step backwards, a feeble attempt at virality.
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I tend to agree, but all the half built slop is part of the process, and can't be stopped. it's also totally possibly that amazing things can come out of this process. most people just won't be aware any of it exists. So it'sreally not an issue. The larger issue is a lack of good products thus far but it's super early days. patience pays
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Clients can be big as long as the spec is clear. You can still login to small clients with the same nsec… We should be worried about big relays (data centralization) and not having enough relays e.g. data availability. This phobia to big clients mindless if data portability is still preserved. Airchat is growing to be quite a big codebase, should I just stop developing it? We shouldn’t be parroting these ideas to developers then getting disappointed when all we get is half-baked projects that don’t go anywhere.