A decentralized #Bitcoin is a Bitcoin where miners decide what goes in blocks, not pools.
OCEAN's ultimate goal is to make this a reality, and today we take one step closer to our vision of decentralized block template construction.
Available immediately, OCEAN is offering ๐บ๐๐น๐๐ถ๐ฝ๐น๐ฒ ๐ฏ๐น๐ผ๐ฐ๐ธ ๐๐ฒ๐บ๐ฝ๐น๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ฝ๐ผ๐น๐ถ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ฒ๐, giving miners control over what blocks they are mining.
The three options are:
1) OCEAN Recommended (most real financial transactions and least spam)
2) Bitcoin Core with the โOrdisrespectorโ spam filter
3) Unmodified Bitcoin Core (same as other pools with fewest financial transactions and most spam)
OCEAN will continue its 0% promotional pool fee for options 1 & 2 while there will be a competitive pool fee of 2% for option 3.
Our fees are structured to incentivize miners to make choices that benefit the Bitcoin network in the long term.
Suggestions for more templates? Let us know at mining@ocean.xyz.
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Does this result in effectively 3 separate pools? Or you somehow reconcile the differences to split rewards proportionally between miners on all 3 configurations?
"These are not separate pools! Whenever a miner using OCEAN finds a block, all of OCEAN's miners receive their share of the block earnings, even those mining a different template. This is a major step toward fully decentralized mining: OCEAN returns control to you, allowing you the option to mine the transactions you want without losing the benefits of pooled mining."
OCEAN - Alternate Templates
Interesting, I guess I like this approachโฆ
But if I were a miner simply optimizing for the most profitable block template, I might not want to split profits evenly with miners who consistently omit the top most profitable txs. Plus the ppl optimizing for profit are the only ones paying a pool fee ๐.
I guess the market will decide if this is acceptable.
The alternative is a centralized system
Centralized on what layer?
If pool decentralization is your goal, new (or revived) pools constructing blocks with low rewards isnโt going to attract any meaningful hash power. Itโs simply not economically rational for anyone involved.
More pools competing on rewards, features, and specialization is the only way.
If block template decentralization is your goal, then letโs focus on finishing the SV2 spec for block negotiation, and make it easy for pools & miners to use. The big pools will happily pass that regulatory risk off to the individual miners.
Option 4 - Empty blocks only, to fairly filter all transactions
Sounds like a politician
Why ?
Some people don't like knots, but they do like the rest of Ocean's decentralised philosophy.
The whole point of OCEAN is to decentralize mining. This is just the next logical step
I assume that I can switch between block templates and there is no penalty to my rewards acquired so far?
I found the answer:
"These are not separate pools! Whenever a miner using OCEAN finds a block, all of OCEAN's miners receive their share of the block earnings, even those mining a different template. This is a major step toward fully decentralized mining: OCEAN returns control to you, allowing you the option to mine the transactions you want without losing the benefits of pooled mining."
OCEAN - Alternate Templates
Correct, fees are per share submitted
Thanks
This is a big development for Ocean
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My node will validate and propagate blocks from templates 1 and 2 marginally faster ๐ซก
APPRECIATE YOU ๐ซก
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What is the difference between 1 and 2 ?
1 you use knots node
2 you use bitcoin core modified to enforce that inscriptions respect the extra data limit configured in the node. (Currently there is a bug where idiots creating inscriptions can put 3 MB data in the extra data even if you specifically configured your node to relay only 80bytes)
Thanks for more user choices ๐ฅน
For people who understand this better. When mining, isnโt it better to stick with a template for a relatively longer time, and not keep adding removing transactions from it?
This question has nothing to do with the options above.
I was just wonder, because when I look at the Ocean dashboard, the template changes every second. And for some reason I feel it is more probably to hit a block if the template doesnt change for say 3 minutes.
Might be completely wrong but thatโs why Iโm asking.
I think you are wrong because the probability of finding a valid block at trial number N should follow a Geometric Distribution.
The Geometric Distribution has the property of being "memoryless".

Geometric distribution - Wikipedia
Correct, it makes no difference. This indifference is part of what makes a hash function a "cryptographic hash function". The distribution is nearly gaussian, close enough to call it random.
The template has to be at least subtly different for every hash (which a mining chip does billions of every second)
Iโve never heard of this before, why would the template have to change each hash?
Interesting. I didnโt know that. Thank you.
you probably wanted to say uniform distribution.
Hash function have the design goal of inducing a probability distribution on their image which is closer to a uniform distribution as possible.
So the probability that h(X) = k is the same for every k.
continuous uniform distribution
which is commonly associated with gaussian normal distributions.
of course it's discrete integers but continuous implies total randomness since all bits are at play and not any holes in it or symmetries.
Probability distribution - Wikipedia
I don't understand why you say Gaussian, when it actual fact is uniform.
Also, it's discrete and not continuous, because the Image of all hash functions is discrete (countable infinity of rational numbers).
The hash is the same for the same data
Doesnโt changing the nonce render a new hash?
This is what I thought so if itโs incorrect then Iโm happy to learn the difference
If you found a distribution pattern in a hash function, it's no longer a cryptographic hash function.
There is no such thing in the real world as continuous, it is impossible to measure or quantify. Saying that this disqualifies the use of "gaussian" for a random distribution over a finite field is not a tenable position due to the nature of computation.
The expression "cryptographic hash function" itself implies apparent continuity of distribution. As soon as the discontinuity is found in the distribution its security is busted.
The other thing that you can't say either is that it's not deterministic, because without determinism the hash function is not useful.
I have 

Yeah yeah, in this we agree. I was just lazy.
One should say:
X is a random variable representing the choice of a message at random (under probability distribution PX).
Then h(X) is a random variable, that induce a different probably distribution bla bla.
Yes, no such thing as continuity in the real world, real number are not physically real.
Buuut, they are very useful for making computations easiers.
I never disqualified the utility of the gaussian distribution, I simply pointed out the obvious that Gaussian != Uniform
> the expression "cryptographic hash function" itself implies apparent continuity of distribution.
No, it implies apparent uniformity of disitribution.
Continuity is another (topological) property.
f^(-1) (A) is an open set for every open set A.
And makes it a different template, albeit only slightly
gaussian is continuous uniform distribution. aliasing is an inherent property of finite fields. if this error of precision says it's not gaussian than what use is the expression "gaussian distribution" anyway?
perhaps ergodicity is a more accurate expression, since this doesn't carry baggage of theoretical and impossible things with it?
it's super magical stuff anyway. non-crypto people don't get it.
But... Miners can decide what pool they mine with. So WTF is your point here? Or is there not one and you just want to virtue signal to Bitcoiners?
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There's a lot of nuance, in this whole conversation. I think Bitcoin Mechanic did a great job explaining Ocean's position, in his conversation with Preston Push.
Interesting game theory here, keen to see how the 0 fees for leaner block templates make a difference, and how much margin you'd make from those who choose to include ordis
Canโt tell if I should consider this bending the knee or if it always was the plan to offer different templates ๐คทโโ๏ธ
The plan is to give miners the control over the templates they want to use, the specific ASIC that find the block will choose the template and him alone, but this is only possible with Stratum V2.
While Stratum V2 is not there, they are offering you to choose from pre-stablished block templates.
I fully support ocean mining
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Never.
That cunt better choose life.
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Good luck lol
Include the spam, or reject the spam?
The choice is yours!
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View quoted note โCan i use bitaxe with ocean? Does ocean support solo mining and if in pool, can I get whatever little sats through LN?
Your fees incentive miners to do what you think how bitcoin should be used.
What a fucking clown ๐คก show!
lol
Se terminรณ el bloqueo y en spam ๐๐๐๐โจโจโจโจ viva la libertad ๐ฝ
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Opposite templates, which pick up specific TXs with lower than optimal fees:
* Anti OFAC
* LN channel opens/closes
* Coinjoins/mixer TXs
Have people mine blocks that help their use cases.
"Anti OFAC" literally none of their templates are OFAC compliant so all of them meet this criteria.
"LN channel opens/closes" These will also be included in every available template.
" Coinjoins/mixer TXs" There is no standard for these TXs so protocols like whirlpool that override the datacarrier to announce to the p2p layer that they are doing coinjoins may unfortunately be filtered out however should be possible through option 3 which is unmodified.
Core+Antispam also shouldn't have the whirlpool issue FWIW
Ok, my bad on that
The general idea was templates that includes as many TXs in a specific category, so they'll be mined earlier and cheaper. It's a stupid idea, but if people want more template options, this is going into the opposite direction of filtering.
block #3 very soon
It will be great a pool with zero fees and LN payments from a non-profit organization on a ''.org'' domain.
Thatโs great to hear and sincerely hope they wonโt be stopped by government. The only thing I canโt help thinking about is if they launched a few weeks late but in this state: โokay miners will choose if they want to include inscriptions or notโ there would be no drama and disappointment but I guess they wanted to live through this discussion to lay down their arguments.
This might served to explain ordinals and BRC20 as a spam due to a bug. Which is a legit argument I believe.
Lastly maybe the Public Relations guy should be the Bitcoin Mechanic instead of Luke. Even though Luke may have the purest of intentions I think its safe to say he has not the best communication skills.
Miners have template choice. Greate move, thank you for helping secure the BTC network and a great compromise. Love the pool!!
This seems important; like a bigger deal than most think. Very cool.
This is a great idea.