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PurpleNoise

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You need to ask your DM inbox relays to delete your inbox. Super easy.

How? I don't see a delete button anywhere.

Who is the operator of your DM inbox relays? Gotta ask them. They can delete your messages.

Yes, manually finding out who the operator is and asking every single one to delete unwanted messages is truly a production ready chat experience.

I keep saying... You either control your relays or you don't own shit on nostr.

He can also use 0xChat delete function that sends out the request

Amethyst too, but very few relays delete NIP-17 messages.

Ill pair the critisism with a proposal. It needs a NIP or something that does two things. First it tells the clients receiving the nip that anything prior should be treated as deleted. Second, it should tell the compatible relays the messages no longer have to be stored. That way if someone sends some unsolicited stuff or simply a conversation I am not interested in I can actually get rid of it properly and declutter. Right now on Matrix I can simply leave the room, the DM experience is great there. Nostr is an incomplete and incompatible mess on this front. It needs fixing, not workarounds.

Bro how does Amethyst have all of these features wtf

Vitor is S-tier

Thats a problem for the relay really. My problem is that its visible and cluttering my stuff. A syncable event that tells amethyst not to display that anymore shouldn't have to depend on how well the relays work. If amethyst is capable of it where did you hide the delete button so I can leave those DM's?

No doubt I’m incredibly unlucky he’s not an IOS dev

I think visibility is good. Users need to see which relays are not honoring delete and hold them accountable.

A "request deletion of entire mesage thread," however, would be an excellent feature.

Click and hold, delete. But unless you have a good relay, it won't matter. Also, relays can delete all your DMs with a simple request. Amethyst can only do one by one.

Yep, but without relays actually deleting them, the message will come back over and over again, just to be deleted when the phone loads the deletion request locally. Nothing Amethyst can do beats a good relay.

Is there a normie friendly micro client out there with this all DMs function?

0xChat

*all DMs delete function*

like deleting 88 chats in 1 go?

I'm aware of the relay integrity factor. Assuming I'm using well-behaved relays, an option to request deletion of an entire DM conversation in Amethyst would be nice. Maybe just long press on the conversation thread (before it's open) and select request delete all. Saves users from having to manually request delete for every single message.

Nice. Bingo

How are you supposed to request a relay to delete nip-17 gift wraps when you can't prove you created them?

They delete by p-tags. They are the p-tag's wraps. Nobody else has any control over them.

is the desire purely organizational? im sure to would be easy to locally archive chats

I still do not see a button for this. If its there its well hidden. I am not trying to delete my own messages, I am trying to delete unsolicited conversations to declutter the DM's.

On the client, you can only delete your own things for now. But on your inbox relay, you can do whatever you want. That's why it is so important to talk to them. We will develop features to hide events from others but if they are not erased from the relay, over time they will just consume more and more data.

🤣🤣

😂😂😂 true that

Better than Signal. Just pick a good Inbox DM relay.

I'm running haven and currently use that for inbox, is that good for this? Otherwise my public relay is nostr-rs-relay.

I don't think it deletes NIP17 DMs. But it is your server, you can just go there and delete whatever you want :)

thanks, I'll give it a test and see if it does tomorrow. what makes NIP-17 more secure than signal?

You control the server if you want. Nothing goes through third-party servers.

Yeah that's important for sure, I was wondering moreso about the encryption algorithm being used? I'll need to read up in this NIP-17 when I have more time!

Now when You say "Better than Signal"... Infrastructure and centralization aside, are You saying this is actually more secure than Signal? I mean Signal the mobile app, not the desktop version.

in theory yes if it's sent to only inbox relays you control, but not sure how common that will be. in practice probably not.

We have to make it common. Otherwise there is no point in Nostr.

I don’t see how you can make this common. People will centralize around large inbox relays. This always happens. Unless the inbox relay is the phone/desktop node itself over tor or something, and clients opportunistically keep retrying the send, but that would be unreliable.

Make deploying a DM inbox server as easy as creating a new spreadsheet on Google.

I completely agree with your point of view, but popularizing it among ordinary people who are not professionals requires simple and easy-to-understand language.

"Mostly"?

Would say yes but apparently there's no privacy in nostr dms

its centralized and can fail/will eventually go away

Than SimpleX or Session

i prefer nostr