Itβs sad to see Simplex fall into the tempting smart-contract blockchain token trap.
This is also why Keychat uses ecash sats as postage stamps for messages.
None of them are solved with another token... π
Like, you could just make your own secure server. Why blockchain? Oh "decentralized"
The only thing in crypto that is really decentralized is Bitcoin. Everything else is unnecessary. And Bitcoin is terrible to use for arbitrary data. It's slow AF. And you need external software to even index it in the first place and it's terribly expensive. So they go oh well we can make a blockchain that is better in all those areas. Then you lose the decentralization. So there's no point to a blockchain. You're literally just adding a while host of complexity that has as much security as your own internal centralized server anyways. Any thought at all from a first principal perspective would exemplify this. So the choices are 9/10 they're just going to rug their coins slowly to zero and make money doing it and go away. Or 1/10 they're just dumb and didn't think about this logically
10/10 chances it will end the company and the protocol within a decade.
Mind saying it more slowly for those of us in the back? Why does ecash as postage make for a more sustainable model.
Big fan by the way. I use Keychat daily.
In the offline world, most business models are pay-per-use. In a spontaneously ordered market, demand for goods and services spurs the emergence of supply.
I didn't even think about the revenue model. I had, perhaps erroneously, presumed their decision was based on simplicity of build that would save time and capital.
If you're charging per message, or a portion of each zap I make, great, all the power to you. I only paid attention to the fact Nostr PWA's/sites just work better in Keychat. And most importantly, Keychat has the most functional nsec signer out. I feel safer exploring vibe coded apps and not worrying about whether they're slop that'll lose my keys.
How serious are we all about protocols?π€π§β
I think we all need to look into, and support, the development of Reticulum, which,--if I'm understanding it correctly--would replace the base layer, the TCP-IP layer, of the global internet, with a real, private, anonymous, encrypted base layer that INTENTIONALLY is the internet that we all know that we want...
This is demonstrably wrong. Ethereum, for example, had a 70% pre-mine that went into the pockets of the very few. That's the opposite of neutral and incredibly immoral.
And it's not even that difficult to build good bitcoin support into a chat app. I'm a relative noob to privacy tech and - thanks to good existing libraries and AI assistance - I was able to make a chat app with a cashu wallet built-in, using the MDK (Marmot Development Kit) for MLS chat. I don't expect to continue on my project, it was just a fun project to get to know the libraries, and to learn how things like push notifications work and to learn more about MLS.
I hadn't heard of Keychat, I'll check it out now!
I hope nostr does not fall in the same trap, but maybe it's already big enough to be unstoppable. We need a fork of simplex or use something else.
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"The funniest thing is that all those who are criticizing Simple X chat, still use WhatsApp, Telegram, Facebook Messenger, X, or Instagram as their everyday messaging app. At most, some use Signal, and many don't even know that Simple X chat exists."
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This is very disappointing to see. Looks like the opposite of growth. And for the record I donβt want SimpleX relays. I thought the point was for people to ultimately run their own.
Theyβre trying to scale? For what? βSomebody has to pay for itβ. This is not a social media app. I thought it was for personal and group secure messaging that doesnβt fall apart when AWS or their farms get hit by a DoS. I didnβt want to use your servers in the first place, but understand the need for PoC.
Maybe itβs on me for misinterpreting. I guess I was hoping this was about decentralization for as much as that word appears in this recent sales pitch. It appears to be about creating a sustainable business model for them to host.
Was definitely one of my favorite designs. π Please help me understand if Iβm missing something here. Possible I misinterpreted the project from the start.