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jb55 🛡️ 3 months ago

after much research the correct answer to this is personalized pagerank

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View quoted note → What if we replaced follower counts with some other addictive metric in Nostr clients -- but one that was specific to Nostr and could actually work reliably and not be gamed? (No, I am not talking about zaps, these can also be gamed, and this is not a trivia question, I don't have any answers.)

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Constant 3 months ago

It wont be easy, but we will to teach the world the web always was subjective; you trust platforms to come up with a number, on what the platform beliefs to be real users. People might be temped to think whatever pops up eventually in the Nostr context is some degraded thing from what we have in the legacy system, but it is probably actually an upgrade

il_lost_ 🛡️ 3 months ago

↩ replying to Constant

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Pip the WoT guy 🛡️ 3 months ago

I came to the same conclusion about 1y ago, and that's why @Vertex offered this algo from the get go. Real-time personalized pagerank.

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Shawn 3 months ago

Goodhart’s Law makes a single good metric impossible.

Goodhart's law - Wikipedia

“When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure." The only solution is so many different measures (ie different one for each user) that it’s unfeasible for spammers to target every one.

jb55 🛡️ 3 months ago

↩ replying to Shawn

hence *personalized* pagerank. It would be different per-user based on their interactions

Karadenizli 3 months ago

The more I think of this, the more I'm convinced that there shouldn't be any attempt to provide metrics of anything.