Thread

"The identity should be outside of the computer."

hzrd149 & Gigi contemplate local relays.

Libraries & apps mentioned:

• Applesauce

• Boris

• Citrine

• nostr-relay-tray

In this dialogue:

• Automation & robot armies

• If this than that (IFTTT)

• Permissioned vs permissionless automation

• Self-hosting and the local-first people

• "The identity should be outside of the computer"

• Private vs public, local vs remote

• DRM and other nonsense

• Private means encrypted with my key

• Nostr apps should be local-first, thanks to local relays

• All nostr apps should work in flight mode, somewhat

• Outbox model, writing, and reading 

• Search & NIP-50 

• Ants & thisishowyougetants.com 

• 6 degrees of separation & FoaF

• WoT 

• Friend list curation & "circles" 

• "Don't touch my follow list"

• Bootstrapping a network by saying GM a lot

• Recommendations usually suck

• Nostr can shine

• Vertex & figuring out who John is

• NIP-05 & realness

• Root-level domains & realness (e.g. @dergigi.com)

• Zaps & realness

• Nutzaps & realness 

• Local-first & local algorithms 

• nostrdb VS local relays 

• Local data & relevancy 

• noDNS, locality, local preference, and "good enough" 

• Mostly online vs mostly offline 

• "Servers aren't bad. Getting rugpulled is bad."

• "Information is easy to spread but hard to stifle" 

• Local hubs, community hubs, global hubs

• "nostr was built for broadcasting" 

• Building stuff badly & nerd-sniping people

• Gigi's ants video 

• Walking in circles 

• DM metadata leakage 

• "It shouldn't matter where the data comes from" 

• "Deleting data is a lie" 

• The impossibility of proving deletion 

• Bitrot & data loss

• Fighting bitrot with duplication & rebroadcasting 

• Bouquet, blossom, and self-healing links

• Local-first vs local-also 

• Left-side of the bellcurve CDN 

• The one whale relay 

• Topic-based relays 

• fiatjaf's pyramid relay

• Torrents, early video content, game installers 

• fiatjaf’s take on IPFS 

• Why not rebuild Cloudflare? 

• Censorship-resistance = 100% uptime = no rugpulls 

• Getting offered weed on the streets 

• Every app works in flight mode

• No developer needs an API key 

• "The data accumulates where it needs to accumulate" 

• Browser history as an example of local data & user interests 

• WoT is kinda local 

• wot.dergigi.com 

• Blossom is different; blobs are heavy 

• American HODL's vlogs 

• "Step 1 is to build a shitty version" 

• HAVEN 

• Nostr Repair Kit (Nostr pacemaker) 

• Shout-out to Pablo's highlighter (fucking hell) 

• Open-source & scratching your own itch 

• Applesauce v4

• "It's almost done" - famous last words! 

• Outbox in applesauce, and how it makes everything more difficult 

• Waves, routstr, Pete, Justin, Paul, Gzuuus 

• Hzrd's SEC-05 highlights 

• noDNS

• Wally & Cashu Wallet Connect 

• Crazy idea => Consensus => Implementation 

• Difference between idea & implementation

• "Domains are shitcoins" 

• We've been living in a post-domain world for a while 

• Independent browsers & project Ladybird 

• Nostr-native browser - who will build it? 

• "A different way of doing internet infrastructure" 

• Is a world without APIs possible? 

• Mainframe => Personal Computer => Smartphones 

• Online sometimes => Offline sometimes 

• Local LLMs

• Nostr allows you to build less

• Thin layers & special-purpose apps 

• NIP-60 and finding spare change under the couch 

• Does negentropy fix NIP-60 synchronization? 

• Nostr is synergistic 

• The beauty of nostr-relay-tray

• Nostr works. We've come far!

• It's all coming together

• Boris

• "You can always go back and build it right"

• Just begin again.

• Just begin again.

• Just begin again.