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there is a large moneyary investment in this space in centralized nostr (primal) and centralized bitcoin (cashu) Criticizing any of these? Good luck getting a grant or invited to that next prestigious event. nostr was more fun when it wasn’t being subverted by money and influence peddling. Unfortunately they can’t buy me or shut me up. I couldn’t give more of a shit about money or influence.

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Solution: Invite more FOSS devs who don’t give a rat’s ass about grants or BTC/Nostr conferences. Fat Zap them so they actually keep building their stuff. Hint: Remember that most folks capable of building solutions on Nostr or BTC/Lightning could easily be earning around US$1k a day as contractors, (depending on where they live of course).
↩ replying to Laeserin 🇻🇦
They should. Folks here are fighting for pennies. I mean, honestly, even in Germany, where salaries are relatively lower than in the US, how much would a Senior QA person like you earn? Around €100k a year base, at least in Berlin or Munich? And you’re going way, way, way beyond quality and testing here on Nostr. Plus, you have other people working with you. So I don’t see why anyone would expect something as ambitious as, say, Alexandria to get off the ground purely with grant money as, even in this awful market of ours. We need to move beyond the amateur Web3 full-stack TypeScript/Deno "vibecoder on a shoestring budget" phase before we can even start talking seriously about V2V on Nostr. Other than for maybe six people, Nostr is an absolute value sink for anyone building anything right now. And love, passion, and motivation alone aren’t sustainable long-term. We need a mix of proper businesses (beyond L2 payment stuff) and FOSS culture here. If Nostriches can buy raw milk, tallow soap, etc., they can also zap, say, 100k sats to the devs of the projects they use a few times a year. If enough people do this, Nostr becomes its own thing instead of just a BTC payment solution marketplace.
↩ replying to Kuba
I'm zapping way, way, way more than the average Nostrich... Plus I have been maintaining a lot of Nostr software. Can't do it alone though. And Grants won't pay my bills either, not in the UK. You know what could? Like 10 USD a month * one third of the regulars here on Nostr. That could pay for the bills of a lot of devs and operators. You know how many people do this? Well, none is doing it for anything that I built or maintained so far. You know how many people zap more on AI Generate memes and garbage copied from X than on Devs? A whole lot of people.
↩ replying to vinney...axkl
For a full-time senior developer in HCOL areas in the US (New York, San Francisco, etc.), yes, or at least close to it if you’d expect them to work 40+ hours a week, just like they would at Big Tech or Major Banks. Nostr already has plenty of active npubs. How many active users do we have right now, around 30k? If 10k of them paid $10 a month, that would be enough to fund three full-time developers; say, Fiafjaf and a couple of core US-based devs. Alternatively, you could fund six people in Germany, twelve in South America, or even more across most of Asia. Or a mix of all that. You could also have part-time developers... lots of possibilities. And as Nostr grows the funding would increase. Whatever the setup, I think donations should flow directly from plebs to devs . Not from BTC companies, not from billionaires, not from private equity and VC Funds. Otherwise, we’re essentially saying that Nostr (both the the protocol and the ecosystem) isn’t worth $10 a month to its users. And if that’s the case, then honestly, there are already plenty of centralised, extractive social media solutions out there with a much better architecture than Nostr for the "ADS and User data extraction" use cases
↩ replying to Anthony Accioly
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 Put up a bounty for a feature in X open source client, assign it to the original author of the client, get the zaps, do the work. The client dev gets paid, the community gets their feature.
↩ replying to jb55
people liked my old nostrudel fork because it just had a button that showed the address in a qr code, also had a "pay in wallet" because the bip21 auto-fills to send, then it's a plain tip button without the zap event and just opens the preferred wallet that accepts that URI scheme at the right place, things like this just get the address from bio "closer" to usage, without any advanced integration needed from the developer, which would work for btc onchain or alts too but yeah not an actual integration, I'm remaking my client but will still use the simple idea, but this simple idea is enough for people to love it X users keep bugging platforms like odysee to do something like this and then it's an "integration", but to advance on a monero integration it could use payment IDs, or use the viewkey to generate subaddresses, then per event on send you know which event of yours got tipped, then from viewkey usage maybe a proper zap event could be created by using receipt proofs, etc, some people already experiment on this today
General bitcoin space suffers similar fate, its very centralized with several people influencing a lot more than ppl imagine through backchannels and string pulling. The space is tiny and cross polination of organizations/events by the same individualas is huge, very easy get shadow banned
I didn't realize you had a beef with Cashu. I have been openly critical about that project and its design choices and been treated like a red-headed piece of shit by a lot of people on here, particularly developers. I have nothing against Primal, but I'm not interested in using their walled garden setup, so it is what it is.
It isn't just cashu the entire bitcoin space is paralyzed because everyone is terrified that if they do anything else except for the reference-implementation HTLC-based blocksize-war approved thing the big money won't follow them and the big money is hostile anyway we could have so much 😢
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