All it is is a useful privacy tool. It's untraceable digital cash, nothing more nothing less. That's always been the claim.
The core disagreement is that you cope about lightning and coinjoin making Bitcoin better at being untraceable digital cash. Not only is this wrong on a technical level, which I've explained many time and will happily do so again if requested, but also wrong when observing free market choices. Monero has been almost exclusively used on darknet markets, which are the largest p2p free markets in the world that REQUIRE cryptocurrency, since around 2020 starting with White House Market. Despite Bitcoin's dominating market cap, network effect, your claim of comparable lightning privacy, and that darknet markets started originally with Silk Road because of Bitcoin, they've almost exclusively switched to Monero.
Not just in darknet markets we find this trend, however. If you look at Nano-GPT, Coincards or ShopinBit payment stats you see comparable or even dominant Monero usage despite vastly smaller network effect and market cap. This is especially stark when each of these platforms are basically advertised and begun on other currencies: Nano for Nano-GPT, Bitcoin for Coincards and ShopinBit.
Purely looking at these free markets, we find a clear preference for Monero as untraceable digital cash. Why then does Monero anger you if it's proven to so many users to be superior as medium of exchange as shown by their choices? Perhaps these markets have been illogical for the past 5 years and are due for a Bitcoin Renaissance soon?
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Alright I talk about stats a lot so time to bring in the reciepts (note that I don't have X so these are the latest I can find with search engines):
ShopinBit:
69% Monero
28.89% Bitcoin
0.19% Lightning
This is literally the tagline on the website, they only mention Bitcoin: "A privacy-first service for ordering anything with Bitcoin & crypto, worldwide. No login or extra verification needed"
NanoGPT:
44% Monero
18% Nano
13% Bitcoin
Cant really see it doesn't have a number but maybe 1 or 2% lightning
Numbers from December. The website is focused on Nano and offers a 5% discount in Nano compared to all over currencies. Monero still dominates.
Coincards:
Latest is only from Oct 3,2023 mind you yet we find:
32.82% Bitcoin
32.22% Monero
2.4% Lightning
Woohoo Bitcoin wins! Wait by 0.6% on a site focused and advertised with Bitcoin 2 years ago while bitcoin supposedly has 20x the market cap. Curious to see the stats now.
From these stats (ignoring even darknet market dominance) I make the assured and certain conclusion that the free market PREFERS Monero as a medium of exchange. I challenge anyone to refute this I'd love to hear counterarguments or counter evidence most importantly.

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ShopinBit (@shopinbit) on X
ShopinBit Payment Method Stats – September 2025
#Monero: 68.39%
#Bitcoin: 28.85%
Lightning : 0.19%
#USDT (TRC20): 0.37%
Fiat: 2.20%
Another Mon...
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Nano-GPT (@NanoGPTcom) on X
Payment statistics in review 🥳
We now have a full year of payment statistics. What have we learnt in 2025, what coins are actually used, and wh...

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Coincards.com - Buy Gift Cards with Bitcoin! (@CoinCards) on X
Here's a breakdown of usage (by $ volume) on Coincards by percentage in September '23:
#BTC (Onchain): 32.82%
#XMR: 32.22%
#ETH: 19.00%
#USDC: ...
he doesn't have counterarguments (because you're speaking facts)
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he's made up his mind a priori, the glass is full, no room for learning because he already knows it all
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"muted"
Yeah that does seem to be the conclusion. That's why I'm trying so hard to convince, like seriously how much evidence can one person take before they acquiesce?
Just saw this too. Yet another data point.
Mynymbox Payment Statistics
Monero - 42%
Bitcoin - 23%
Litecoin - 17%
Swaps via TrocadorApp - 10%
Lightning - 8%
#Monero is #1, nothing has changed in the last months.

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