A few days ago I had lunch with @Gigi and he told me about this awesome idea:
> A relay that rejects long notes.
This morning I woke up thinking about it.
And now it's live.
wss://140.f7z.io
140-character limit. With a pretty strict moderation, so spam should be basically non-existent.
It's also sucking short notes from other relays, so it's global should be pretty useful.
Check it out!
PS: No coincides; I saw this @fiatjaf note just now ๐
@note10nvzcqzst4c5yee279u2j5qpzzkffhwxn5qf5t7jxqfx53h6agdqte34ay
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I like this! Thank you !
Is Madeira inspiring these ideas?
How does he eat through the pillow cases and greensuits?
he feeds on his own bullishness


This is cool, now we need clients enforcing the 140 chars and allowing threads ๐
Maybe it makes sense for khatru
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Neat. How can I browse a single relay?
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Your post is attracting a lot of attention.
Added to the https://nostraco.in/hot feed
In. ๐ค๐ผ
I love this idea but also think itโs going to be completely unusable in practice. ๐
Niche af
Love it
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Awesome! Would be great to see these errors surfaced in more clients.
Would this include the characters of an image URL?
Yes, but maybe it shouldnโt like I did for npub/note/nevents.
How did Twitter handle this? Did URLs factor in into the 140 limit?
URLs might have like if you linked to a webpage, but I donโt think images did.
Especially images shouldn't count I guess ๐ค
Yes URL characters counted, which is the primary reason why URL shortening services appeared right after Twitter did.
True. Iโll change it.
And the memers rejoice ๐๐ซ
Are emojis each counted as one character?
Yup
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Fixed it, bad at math I guess
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Nevermind I had it right the first time. What is wrong with me.. too much carpentry I was thinking 144.
Does the phrase โso fucking bullshitโ count as one character? ๐๐ jk
It counts as -10 characters ๐

What's the best way to use specific and special case relays like this?
Most apps have a global, by following and some a few other filters.
Is there a simple way I'm missing to just go "today I wanna see just the 140char posts" or "now let's go check out that relay that only accepts cat pics"?
Using Amethyst, Snort and Iris normally fwiw
We came up with the concepts of relay sets months ago but they havenโt received much love.
The UX could be similar to that of using Discord. One click and you can change everything except your keys and mix and match your content/identity/follow list as you wish.
This is largely unexplored but Iโve experimented in the old version of Highlighter and itโs a very amazing and powerful experience.
We still don't have a streamlined nice way to browse relays, or do we?
No. Incredibly this is still not done.
Someone is coming to @Sovereign Engineering that I hope might push the boundaries of this
I don't believe that 140 characters can effectively restrict spam messages. The issue with spam messages lies not in their length but in their enormous quantity and frequent occurrence. If I were to send a hundred messages to every person in the Nostr network using a thousand accounts within a second, even if these messages were only 140 characters long, they would still be spam messages. The 140-character limit can foster a short message social media culture similar to Twitter, but it cannot prevent abuse of the messaging system.
How will you know if it was rejected?
Your client might tell you. Snort and nostrudel tell you
Love nostr love btc, but being honest I no nothing about relays. Can anyone point me to a helpful resource to educate myself? Thanks!
Good idea!
Though, 280 may be better?
I think 280 characters was a mistake.
Twitter with 140 felt better.
I'll settle for 220.
Is this a negotiation?
140 on Twitter was like ppl were just barking out summaries and condensed thought fragments for maximum effect, which was often
โ I am so offended, need to engage moreโ .
140 was in my opinion a Buiz Model around engagement farming.
Didn't appeal to me, but was successful.
But if you areeasily distracted and talk in memes only, 140 is enough. Hรถ.
There aren't proper threads here, maybe on other clients ?
I would give 280 a try.
Enough for form follows function.
210 obviously.
Stay tuned: 140 ๐ค notes coming soon to a client near you.
When will boys get it? We care more about the content of the character than the size!
Thisss! ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฏ ๐๐โฅ๏ธ I totally agree, I love long and short life update posts. Recipes and podcast information. Not huge on dev stuff all the time. A mixture is good too but to be able to filter it would be amazing ๐๐ฅ. Size doesnโt always matter.
Itโs really all about the motion in the ocean.
I just tried wss://140.f7z.io and it works very well.
I used one of my other npubs so I wouldn't upset anything relay wise for this npub.
All I am seeing are very short notes on the test npub now.
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I just tried wss://140.f7z.io and it works very well.
I used one of my other npubs so I wouldn't upset anything relay wise for this npub.
All I am seeing are very short notes on the test npub now.
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Hey pepe, can you please guide me to on how to write a NIP? My write-filter is gonna make heads explode but i can't do it by myself.
this note has far more than 140 characters! ๐
Yup. Itโs not available on this relay ๐
Seeing posts on this relay from people who arenโt connected to the relay. I click on their profile and I check their relays and itโs not there. Maybe itโs @Damus . Iโm just filtering the global feed by relay.
It ingests notes that satisfy the conditional from a few other relays
Some limitations make you thrive and florishโก๐บ
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Sleepcoding is the new sleepwalking
Does the character limit applies to media urls too?
this literally twitter with moderation.
I made wss://140.f7z.io the default relay for cafe-society.news nostr global page. 
GitHub
default relay with 140 char limit ยท colealbon/cafe-society.news@5900de7
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Me too. Its the only way to fly. I wish clients would complement with a character counter so I know if I am being filtered. @Vitor Pamplona
Are links included in the limit?
It was the character limit and tweetdeck for me
Now we need clients to add a character count when typing so you know if you're short posting or not. ๐
We need more dictatorship on relay. Thats good for nostr. Please continue.
Cool idea. I may use this to test a DVM for sentence embeddings.
Related idea for improvement: could it be possible to make the character limit recursive? I.e. the events in the e tag must also satisfy the character limit. That way it prevents people from quoting an entire essay
