Really enjoyed this conversation with Stephen Macedo about his book on America's response to Covid and how political polarization, the class bias of experts, the politics of grantmaking, etc. etc.--got in the way of good policy. Watch at the link below or listen on the NonZero podcast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=7KHc6PkY1NX28ovB&t=101&v=Vtvr8jUG4wI&feature=youtu.be