In America we are taught to view the Pilgrims as adventurers who endured great danger in order to seek religious freedom. The full story is, of course, more nuanced.
Many Pilgrims were Puritans. They did not sail to America to establish religious freedom for everyone, but rather to practice their own fundamentalist religion exclusively.
And they didn't go to America because they were thrown out of England. They first went to the Dutch republic, where they stayed for over a decade. They decided to leave Europe for the Americas, of their own free will, in no small part because tolerant Dutch society was proving too alluring to their children and leading them away from the cult. Thus they made the decision to move to a place where they could brainwash their children in peace without the inconvenience of regular reality checks from interactions with non-puritans.
There was actually a notable Puritan who supported freedom of religion. Roger Williams, founder of Rhode Island. He was a Puritan minister and Massachusetts Bay Colony threw him out for preaching about the idea.
He left for a bit but then went back to Massachusetts Bay and continued his preaching. The Puritans told him that he needed to leave under threat of death, so he went and founded Providence Plantations on the principle of religious freedom.
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Rothbard goes into incredible detail on the subject.
Very long but absolutely worth it.


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Mr Lopp, we often talk about creating our βcitadel.β This is what the Puritans did, centered around their understanding of God and his will. Roger Williams wanted to change the Puritan citadel from the inside, but he was forced to leave and create his own citadel. In the end, you probably would have also disagreed with Williams as well and created your own citadel. If Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life, then we must pursue him with loyal and loving obedience as our King. This is what the Puritans sought for themselves and their children, this is what Roger Williams sought in his own way. If Jesus did not rise from the dead, then the Puritans, Roger Williams, me, and every other Christian are nothing but fools. But, if Jesus did rise from the dead, then ββ¦ every knee should bowβ¦ and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.β You and I both are given this invitation to follow Jesus in faith. Every other decision or question is life is a shitcoin in comparison. Happy Thanksgiving.
Underrated response. And of course he didn't respond.
Dr. Roy..
They also establishment the first compulsory public schools in America...
Itβs always been freedom for me but not for thee π