This will likely be the last year of damus. Will try my best to make this thing sustainable, but nostr clients donโt make money and I once funding runs dry its over as I can only burn saving for so long. Glad I was able to help play a small part in this regardless of what happens. Going to give it my all next year to try to keep the dream alive. Thanks for coming along for the ride โ๏ธ
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A years a long time, things might look very different dec 31st 2024. Best of luck.
It has been really fun to follow Damus since it's inception and I hope to see you build on it for a long time into the future. A lot can happen in a year JB, let's hope for the best! ๐ค
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Here are a few things that come to mind that may help!
Getting sustainable/consistent income:
1. Have a dialogue that pops up once after installation, that allows users to opt-in to zap-splits, so that every time someone zaps a post, Damus gets a %
2. A "Damus+"/"Damus Pro" etc paid subscription tier with extra features
3. Turn amazon/walmart/etc links in posts into referral links, and have that be opt-in of course.
Not for everyone and so maybe take as a general tip, but one suggestion is to move countries to take advantage of the lower cost of living and extra runway you get while building a new business. Mexico? Thailand? El Salvador? Argentina? Lots of places.
Latin American destinations have sinular time zones to US and are easy to get back to USA from...
In Mexico I'd recommend Mexico City, Merida (carribbean side and safest city in Mex), Oaxaca City for a smaller city feel than Mexico City and San Miguel de Allende a nice mountain town and lotsa expats.
Thank you for damus ๐๐ฝ๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ thereโs still hope though ๐๐ฝ๐ฅน
Thank you ๐
Lets take a look at the nostr ecosystem and learn about self hosted nostr relays
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If you have an app or relay instructions please share

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Is Damus Purple / premium subscription still in the works?
Yup will be launching that soon, be we would need a lot of subscribers
I would happily pay a monthly subscription for a premium feature: logging in with multiple accounts I can switch between
You can't do this on Damus? You can do this for free on Amethyst
most clients you can do it for free, it doesnโt make sense to charge for it.
this will be true for any feature you can think of charging for unless it provides a unique experience that canโt be easily replicated
Same +1
Will the #Android version come out before the project ends?
thats the plan, as that will help with monetization since we could have zap splits again
Ads would suck... Zap splits would work well.
I'd be happy to split my zaps at a high ratio towards Damus!
You played an enormous part. 0 to banned in China in 60 days ๐คฃ. You write great software (and fast). You are brilliant and generous but you are terrible at incentives. You have disincentivized the birth of relay businesses by giving arguably one of the best relays away for free. This is bad. As your bank account proves, great relays arenโt free!
Turn the Damus relay off IMMEDIATELY (or please stamp an industry leading premium entry fee on it). High volume relays are a huge money sink. If Damus client doesnโt work well without it, then you know what to work on: making Damus client great without subsidizing the traffic.
That's it , that's the name of the movie : "Damus : Zero to banned in China in 60 seconds . "
What's the name of that nerdy actor that did the Facebook movie , we could recycle him for this .
Jesse Eisenberg 
Jesse Eisenberg - Wikipedia
I'm not okay with the end of Damus. I think this can probably be remedied.
Btw, I will NOT pay money to use any client to use Nostr. Screw that! Good luck finding source of funding!
Then you will get ads
Coming in HOT , love the honesty .
Thanks! Sometimes, Iโm a little too blunt but can adjust depending on who Iโm talking to or my mood.
People have become so comfortable with being the product... ๐
Pay up you freeloaders!
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#Amethyst me encantarรญa apoyarte cuรกles son los planes 2024? No quisiera una sorpresa de que tambiรฉn te vayas @Vitor Pamplona
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Intentar la donaciรณn por empresas de minerรญa serรญa una loca idea ๐ก?
Lo digo por quรฉ si los clientes Nostr triunfan las transacciones de Bitcoin escalarian y por consecuencia las empresas mineras se verรญan beneficiadas,
#Nostr #Hispano #Venezuela #Espaรฑa #Argentina #ElSalvador
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Intentar la donaciรณn por empresas de minerรญa serรญa una loca idea ๐ก?
Lo digo por quรฉ si los clientes Nostr triunfan las transacciones de Bitcoin escalarian y por consecuencia las empresas mineras se verรญan beneficiadas,
#Nostr #Hispano #Venezuela #Espaรฑa #Argentina #ElSalvador
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Intentar la donaciรณn por empresas de minerรญa serรญa una loca idea ๐ก?
Lo digo por quรฉ si los clientes Nostr triunfan las transacciones de Bitcoin escalarian y por consecuencia las empresas mineras se verรญan beneficiadas,
#Nostr #Hispano #Venezuela #Espaรฑa #Argentina #ElSalvador
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Intentar la donaciรณn por empresas de minerรญa serรญa una loca idea ๐ก?
Lo digo por quรฉ si los clientes Nostr triunfan las transacciones de Bitcoin escalarian y por consecuencia las empresas mineras se verรญan beneficiadas,
#Nostr #Hispano #Venezuela #Espaรฑa #Argentina #ElSalvador
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I think it's useful to talk about the skills and tools that are needed.
While up until now the skills that you (probably?) needed were programming, memory optimization, UX, user requests and the tools were libraries, ChatGPT, Algorithms, ObjCโฆ the next steps will require you to use different skills & tools.
The needed skills are more towards leadership, planning&prioritization, raising funds, marketting and your tools will be people, connections, processes, coordination/partnerships with other businesses.
And note here that learning skills requires effort, but also note that it essentially requires the same approach like learning a new programming language. Watch youtube videos, get a book, try&fail couple times, practiceโฆ
Now just to brainstorm couple ideas for what could be done:
- create a list of all potental ideas that could bring in money and sort those by "result/cost" (= bang-for-buck)
- ask for donations once a month (post a note, do a popup in the appโฆ)
- gather funds in any way possible (create project on geyser.fund, reach out to opensats, hrf, jackโฆ), make it clear to your friends that you need money for Damus.
- create a complementary product targetted at businesses (not end customer) and sell them what they need. Handle the Nostr infra for them, etc.
- get a part time job next to Damus
- sign up for incubator, for new app competitions, etc.
- you may be able to get a loan
- freeze work on Damus for couple years until there's much bigger userbase
- if you would want to go to the VC/Angel route, you can likely get couple bitcoiner angel investors (I think you could get $200k@5M pre-money fairly reasonably). With others we would be happy to support you this way even if we are unlikely see the money back. That said it's also fair to say no.
I understand this 110%, have been thinking the same for @npub16fcy...shgh since as the price of #bitcoin went up the donations dried up with the exception of a few awesome nostriches. ๐ค๐ซ
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Inject ads into the feed. Don't over complicate it.
I don't sympathise.
Bitcoin Maxis poo poo shitcoiners but they have something we don't: *they know what people want*. So it pays to clip our noses, dive in the sewer and backspat some shitcoiner types (explore-exploit).
As to devs complaining FOSS doesn't pay i don't agree. i've seen one dev complain about their app which allowed users 10 torrents going at the same time on a free version. Why didn't they just make the free version 3 max, a pro-paid 10 and allow anyone, giving detailed, secure and working instructions, to build the pro without paying if they wanted to so keep the FOSS ethos?
On #nostr why am i always context switching? Every time i context switch to upload a longer video to be hosted so i can link it here etc is a lost income for the dev.
** #contextswitching is lost money.**
i've also spoken abou t #ti pQ without success.
But supposedly "nostr doesn't pay".
#tipQ
This has been solved
People will pay if they get value.
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Boi we got u this ship ain't stoppin'!
Not stopping on my time chain watch. We got u @jb55
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What is the best way to contribute. I like Damus a lot Primal doesnโt work on my phone at all not sure why posted about numerous. Damus just works!!!!
Damus reliability is still in its infancy. Soon it will work offline and in very low bandwidth situations. Reliably and efficiency will always be the priority. The new client architecture Iโve been working on is pretty mind blowing, canโt wait to demo it.
Damus is awesome! I enjoy the you all continue to innovate as well as keep it operating smoothly. How do we support the team? How can we get involved to make the run way longer
You blue balling bastard!
I want it just as bad, itโs coming together slowly.
I see what you did there. ๐ธ
I wrote to you about a donation but you ignored me.
Why not get funding from bitcoin-only VC? They are a few good one out there that truly understand
Let us know how we can help keep it alive. Paid version/features?
Weโve been working on that all last month. We have a few features that I think are pretty useful (high quality translations that donโt need configuration). So it wouldnโt be just a donation subscription which is just ugh to me.
Yeah I hear that. Well whatever it is, youโve got one customer here when itโs ready ๐ซก
Why should a nostr client need centralized hardware ? I thought the idea was a nostr client runs in client machine ( laptop or smartphone) ...
web interface should be optional .. only if the developer is supported by web-bros ..
I appreciate your work in making the internet opensource and decentralised.
@jb55 earned my hard respect when I learned what he has built to make this community what it is.
He deserves the utmost accolades and awards, and probably a few #bitcoin for all his work.
This year will see some radical evolutions in the #nostrvrse, and I hope the OG, @Damus and @jb55 get credit where credit is due.
Thanks for all the fish! (And #zaps and #npubs, and more!! )
LFG ๐๐ผ
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