Should also be noted that a lot of the monero bros in here are complete larps and full of shit
They consistently troll bitcoiner posts bashing bitcoin so they can shill their shit coin and when you call them out on it they just yell that we are close minded toxic maxis despite some of us trying to engage in good faith and telling them we support their ability to use monero
yeah, toxic maxis on eider side need to just quit; even if i was monero-only i wouldn't troll around #bitcoin just to harrass people (or eth, pivx, zec, etc)
should be noted that you dont understand why monero is different than xrp or kaspa
so I think we safely ignore your criticisms ๐
there is definitely a group of trolls, i know several of them by name (or nameless)
I have no issues with monero and have said that multiple times.
I still think it is a shitcoin but I respect monero a lot more than Kaspa or xrp.
I have an issue with the monero retards that constantly bash bitcoin so they can pump their monero shitcoin. Monero may have a use for some people but it will always be a niche currency. Bitcoiners are trying to fix the money
They are insufferable
privacy accounts get pretty droll after a while too. especially when they recommend browsers that have non-disableable nags for DRM, and cheerleading for psyop snowden's endless marketing of military contractor hardware.
yeah dude
we respond to maxi austism because it makes the price go up ๐
I rarely encounter a monero fan who not also uses LN.
LN is much harder to maintain in a self-custodial way which means 99% of people won't use it in a privacy preserving way.
please let's all keep it friendly ๐๐
Thatโs because you donโt know anything about Kaspa. Weโve established that.
He doesnโt understand Kaspa. Weโve been through this together.
Look who is back! Mr. I like bitcoin so buy my shitcoin
My point exactly. You have nothing objective to say, only personal attacks to a stranger. The irony is thick.
We have been over this before. I tried to engage with you in good faith before you resorted to ad hominem personal attacks when i called out your bullshit shitcoin shilling
You do not deserve any respect and I am not going to go back and forth with you again. Nothing you say is legitimate
You are either an idiot for buying into the kaspa scam or your a piece of shit scumbag that knows Kaspa is a scam and you still promote it so you can dump your bags on other idiots and then you hide behind being a โChristianโ
Go waste someone elseโs time shithead
First of all, ad hominem personal attacks is redundantโฆ if youโre going to use the phrase, you should at least understand it.
Second, you can say what you want about me, idk you, I donโt really care. Your opinion of me bears no weight. But you are wrong about Kaspa, you donโt understand in the slightest what it is, and youโve yet to objectively say anything thatโs remotely true against it.
Itโs all so tiresome
I am sorry my English is not sufficient but of course you use that as a distraction. Scammers are usually very nit picky on their use of words because they have to be extra careful not to slip up on their scam
I have heard all the bullshit about Kaspa and it is no different than what I heard about every other shitcoin in the 2017 ICO bubble. I have no interest or use for Kaspa or any other shitcoin.
Fully respect your ability to waste your time and capital on the โnextโ bitcoin but I will continue to call you out on your scam
Entertain me for a second though. Can you find me one vendor on here that actually accepts Kaspa?
Words matter. Otherwise it doesnโt matter what youโre saying. โLetโs eat, Grandma!โ and โletโs eat Grandma!โ have two very different meanings.
Are you asking me if thereโs a vendor on a Bitcoin L2 social media app that accepts Kaspa? That seems like a rather silly question.
You still have said nothing objectively negative about Kaspa. It is clear you donโt know what the project is.
There you go handwaving legitimate questions away.
Are there vendors anywhere that accept Kaspa? ๐
I have had plenty valid criticisms of Kaspa you just donโt like to accept my opinions about your useless shitcoin. I know you donโt think it is a legitimate criticism but the fact that Kaspa regurgitates the same nonsense from every ico shitcoin from 2017 is a giant red flag for me which you canโt get past
Why do we need Kaspa? Why should I hold Kaspa instead of bitcoin? Are there any vendors actually accepting Kaspa for goods/services?
Again itโs all so tiresome. You are a piece of shit that continues to play the โI like bitcoin so buy my shitcoinโ playbook and I will call you out for it
If fixing the money is the goal,
then Bitcoin has a fungibility problem because of its transparency.
We can fix the fungibility โproblemโ by educating users about KYC vs non-KYC sats, using 2nd layer privacy solutions like Cashu or self custodial lightning or some other future solution to be developed and funding open source base chain privacy solutions like mixers/coinjoins.
Can even leverage other privacy coins like monero!
Again I do not claim bitcoin is perfect but it is our best and I think our only shot to fix the money and shift power away from rent seeking central banks/governments. We have a group of monero retards on here that live in a delusional world and like to bash bitcoin so they can push monero
Yes:
Kaspa Merchant Map -Pay with KAS
The simple fact you say itโs like 2017 IPOs demonstrates your ignorance.
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There are 18 vendors in the entire United States. So I was correct that nobody accepts this piece of shit
Again why do I need Kaspa? Why should I buy and/or hold Kaspa over bitcoin?
And how many vendors were there for Bitcoin in 2012? You must compare apples to apples.
One thing at a time. Iโm not going to answer 15 questions. You have a hard time with logic and reasoning as it is.
Youโre comparing apples to oranges when you try to compare bitcoin 3 years in vs Kaspa 3 years in. Even so there were definitely more than 18 vendors in America accepting bitcoin for goods/services in 2012 ๐
Good try though. People know about crypto now. If Kaspa actually had any value and people believed in it there would be more than 18 vendors accepting it in America
You continue to ignore the most important questions that would be more important than any of the technobabble you use to scam people
Why do I need Kaspa and why should I buy/hold Kaspa instead of bitcoin?
Youโll need to demonstrate that. Youโll have to show that were more than 18 vendors in 2012 to make that claim. Nor is that your argument. Again, you have a hard time with reason. You asked if anybody accepted it. I demonstrated that it was and now weโre moving the goal posts.
Your argument is I donโt care about Kaspa because not enough people have registered as a vendor 4 years into the project. Thatโs asinine. Continuing this conversation with you is fruitless.
educating users will help protect them of course, but it doesn't make UTXOs fungible.
in other words, it doesn't solve the problem.
ecash is custodial
LN is *good enough for now*, but obviously not going to be the solution.
Bitcoiners have no solution for this problem except hand-waving,
as we move every year further and further into institutional adoption and regulatory capture.
but i guess nobody should mention anything about technology that actually solves the issues because its "bashing Bitcoin"??
My argument is I donโt care about Kaspa because it is a bullshit copy of bitcoin that will trend to zero like every other shitcoin. You donโt like that answer
You refuse to answer two simple questions that matter more than any other technobabble bullshit you are going to spew about why Kaspa is superior to bitcoin
Why do I need Kaspa if I already own/understand bitcoin? Why should I buy your shitcoin instead of buying more bitcoin?
What do you want from us? Do you not know how to read? I just said you can even use monero if you need privacy!
Again you guys like to claim that bitcoin failed but then ignore the problem we are trying to solve here.
This began because you were complaining about the people who are pointing out problems and talking about solutions.
Because "Bitcoin only".
and the "problem" is decentralized censorship-resistant value transfer.
nobody is ignoring that.
Except itโs not a copy of Bitcoinโฆ this is exactly my point. You have no idea what youโre talking about. Itโs not even a blockchain.
Objectively hilarious map given the Square news today.
How would you know if routing nodes are colluding?
"everyone who disagrees with me is a LARP"
You can claim it isnโt a copy of bitcoin all you want. Does not matter one way or the other.
Please answer my two questions though
Why do I need Kaspa and why should I buy Kaspa instead of bitcoin?
Itโs not pointing out โproblemsโ.
I stated that there are monero retards that constantly troll bitcoiners on here and claim bitcoin failed so they can shill monero. This is objectively true
Sure I am personally bitcoin only but I have repeatedly said in this thread that I donโt care about monero and support your ability to use it if you want. I called out the monero retards on here that live in a delusional fantasy land and claim that bitcoin is a failure which I stand by
You guys are insufferable
Pretty much but these people are either retarded or bad actors so not much we can do other than counter their bullshit and call them out
Nah
you just don't like people poking holes in your maxi "Bitxoin in inevitable" narrative ๐
Keep going!
You guys are insufferable twats and not going to get anyone on your side by attacking us
Good luck with monero!
You do have a point ๐
but to be fair,
the first attack was yours
Kaspa isnโt even a blockchain, man. Youโre clearly lost.
I do not care if it is a blockchain or whatever technobabble you claim it is.
It is very likely an affinity scam but regardless of whatever the fuck it is I still have no interest until you can answer the two questions I have repeatedly ask you but you refuse to acknowledge
Why do I personally need Kaspa and why should I buy it instead of bitcoin?
If you don't care, then why are you even asking?
i've designed a nostr-based DNS (and TLS) replacement and it requires some kind of consensus to function, it uses an explicit trust graph created by the name server nodes (i'm calling it FIND, Free Internet Name Daemon) to evaluate name registration/transfer proposals and store their evaluation, anything that falls under 50% is not stored by a node. this means that the consistency is not strong, but weak, but it is weak eventual consistency, and instead of using a monetary value incentive by being a currency, it provides a directory of the names for anyone who hosts a replica to use in their apps, and secondly, the names themselves become an ad-hoc non-fungible asset (so for which reason there is a number of measures to stop perma-registering names, and other spam mitigation methods).
idk how Kaspa can be not a blockchain, unless you are splitting hairs by distinguishing a blockchain from a tangle or a DAG type structure. they are still fundamentally the same thing, blocks of data that have back-references that build a DAG. chains just aim to grow one branch where tangles can vary from one to ten or more concurrent and interlinked chains. they still need some kind of spam limit mechanism to control how many tokens and transactions are processed and all that, and are based on a token ledger.
what i have designed is not a token ledger it's a registry for unique symbols and it doesn't need that economic basis to justify its existence. it's useful in itself as a directory cache, and useful for people in that these names can help increase the appeal of an offering. it's not just a collectable, and it's not fungible, it is an actually useful thing "this name was registered by this npub".
many people even who are long time fans of bitcoin don't know that bitcoin often is two or 3 competing chains. the branches just don't get the blocks so they get left behind.
Because you accuse me of not knowing what I am talking about when I call out your shitcoin scam.
Does your mother know you are taking advantage of people that donโt know any better to enrich yourself?
Meanwhile you continue to refuse answering the two most basic questions that would get me to even consider reading anything else about Kaspa
I'm getting notifications for this thread.
maybe Bill should answer Meyers questions
and maybe Meyer shouldn't automatically accuse anyone interested in something Not Bitcoin of being a scammer
i am also getting notifs ๐น
One thing to be interested or curious about something. I have zero problem with people being interested in things
Completely different story when you are sitting on nostr and replying to threads shilling a shitcoin scam and then accusing me of being a โtoxicโ maxi because I have no interest in said scam
Meanwhile he canโt answer the two most basic questions because there is no valid reason anyone needs Kaspa or should buy Kaspa instead of bitcoin ๐
you jumped in this thread to shit on the monero bros
quit pretending you're some neutral party
Kaspa does not produce orphan blocks as youโve detailed in Bitcoinโs competing chains.
It is not splitting hairs. Itโs a different entity.
I stand by what I said about the monero bros haha
This is wrong. They are not fundamentally the same thing. There are no orphan blocks in Kaspa. This is a change in fundamentals.
so:
it has blocks
the blocks can be orphaned, which means they must be a chain
it's a blockchain.
it's a blockchain payment ledger, to be exact.
there is other kinds of data that are a common than money also. voting, registries (deeds are a type of NFT). the protocol doesn't have to have a payment ledger. the security budget is much lower. the service itself is a utility not just to the network as an additional replica but also to the user because they always have a map of everything locally. point of sales ledgers also have a utility for this, in fact the nostr marketplace protocols are exactly this - public (but encrypted) point of sale ledgers, product listings and inventory. again, these are types of data with an intrinsic value to a lot of participants so bolting on a token to them is just going to poison them into becoming a way to fleece retail, as usual.
that's why we don't need another global public ledger. there already is one. there is multiple protocols for aggregating transactions with low trust requirement, if 10 minutes clearance time isn't fast enough for your payment requirements.
we do, however need alternatives to:
BIND
OAUTH
DNS
TLS
and these all have intrinsic utility, and partly why despite being vulnerable to corruption these systems have remained mostly just. but not perfect, and always a splade of damoclese hanging above you when the Man decides to rug you.
Guy just schooled you and you are still arguing semantics lol
Keep up the scamming scumbag. Karma is a bitch
and you're advertising you own ignorant as well
a DAG is not a blockchain and it isn't "splitting hairs" to say its a completely different data structure with completely different tradeoffs in this application
No sir. Blocks are not orphaned and are not constructed in a chain, but a graph. It is not a chain.
I quit paying attention to him. Heโs not a serious individual.
Projection much? You are the biggest joke on this protocol
Your handle is stackssatsraisefamily and claim to be a good โChristianโ while you play the same tired โI like bitcoin buy my shitcoinโ scam I have seen 1,000 times
You are a scumbag and karma is a bitch
Thank you.
You know that's bullshit. Genuine disagreement isn't "trolling"
It's a cheap way to discredit and dismiss anyone with criticism
Even though you might bring up a good point on occasion it's overshadowed by zero charity and bad faith. That's why I don't usually interact with you anymore. In your world Lightning has zero trade-offs vs Monero. It's so disingenuous.
We are not attacking any one personally. We are cling out shitty community culture.
As someone who has seen all starting from 2010 I can tell you that early Bitcoin felt pretty much like Monero today. People who would never compromise over their values and call out the enshitification of this beautiful technology.
It's suffering to see how companies fall in line with KYC regulation and the community celebrating it. It's suffering to see how ETFs (that will used to paper price manipulate) are celebrated over self-custody.
It's suffering seeing 99% storing their BTC as IOU on CEX with zero privacy.
It's suffering seeing non-anonymous dev get sentenced to years of jail time for writing code
It's suffering to see that the state mangwd to capture Bitcoin and eradicate adversarial thinking.
If you would have my background you might understand why my home now is Monero while I very much feel with the Bitcoin project.
When I call out Bitcoiners for promoting BTC, it is mainly because I believe you are endanger noobs that have zero clue about privacy assumptions within BTC.
It's a reflex just like you call everything a shitcoin because supply guarantees are indeed shitty and people will get fleeced.
I agree 99.9% with that asertation.
If you are serious about supply guarantees you should educate people about CEX and ETF. I rarely see that. It's also us Monero Bros who do the education for Bitcoiners because we learned first hand about dirty plays by CEX. Not just the occasional insolvencies but systematic fractional reserves.
We do educate people about KYC vs nonKYC and more important than anything else we need to educate about self custody
I appreciate what you guys are doing with monero and think it is very important but I stand by my statement that a lot of you are disingenuous and/or live in a fantasy world about what monero can be and you guys are doing more harm than good when you attack bitcoin and bitcoiners on here.
Let us spread bitcoin adoption and work on fixing the money so we can take power back from the rent seeking parasites currently in control while you guys work on privacy solutions that will be needed when bitcoin becomes the global reserve asset we all know it should be
who's "attacking Bitcoin and Bitcoiners?"
(except
@goatmeal ๐)
The monero trolls on here that constantly bash bitcoin and bitcoiners on this platform ha
your feels are not "monero trolls attacking Bitcoin"
receipts or it didn't happen
oh no
what a clearly unprincipled and disingenuous attempt to undermine bitcoin and shill their own bags ๐
you're making up a conflict where none exists.
Russo
Time to cut the fluff and hit you with some questions to break that echo chamber vibe. If you're real free thinkers, these should make you pause.
As self-proclaimed decentralization pros, why should any true free thinker take you seriously when you're stuck rigid inside Bitcoin's box? Doesn't that kill decentralization if only your option of ''decentralization'' is the only one people should use?
Bitcoin's got history, sure. But how can you call every other option a scam without ever studying them properly? What if a real look exposes your blind spots or finds stuff that actually helps?
You rant about separating money from the state, but then hype government adoption like reserves. Isn't that just dragging the state right back in? How does that not contradict everything?
Be honest, Is this about pumping your bags with "number go up," or actually paving roads to freedom? Can't have both if one's undermining the other. Pick a lane.
Why idolize figures with obvious conflicts of interest who twist the truth for their gains? Ignoring that just weakens the whole thing. Care to think on it, or nah?
Why Bitcoiners don't engage in Agorist markets if that is the real way to separate the money from the state? Do you think legal businesses using bitcoin and and not P2P illegal local trade makets is the road to achive it?
#nostr
#Bitcoin
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