Thread

Drop your number 1 reason for running Core v30 or Knots πŸ‘‡ Logically Knots makes more sense to me, but trying to listen to both sides. And it could be helpful to others who are less technical (like me). I feel like there's a ton of shit being thrown around on YT and X from both sides of the aisle. But I am very interested to hear nostr's perspective. This is the most intelligent group on the planet so I think it will be useful. Core or Knots, and what's your logic? #asknostr

Replies (17)

Knots because its my fucking node and im not relaying retarded nor illegal pictures on a monetary blockchain that is our one shot to escape a century old war machine that rules the world. If this isnt obvious to yall then you are just not understanding how the world works and what we are up against.
View quoted note β†’ View quoted note β†’ The core spammers also directly ATTACKED Bitcoin Knots nodes by exhausting their Internet bandwidth as some providers limit the upload quata. Watch Matt Krater's / BitcoinUniversity videos if you want to understand the truth.
Bitcoin Mechanic's avatar Bitcoin Mechanic
Narrative evolution in the political battle to undermine Bitcoin as a monetary network: 1. There's no such thing as "spam" in Bitcoin. Transactions are either valid or invalid. 2. OK spam exists and it's a problem but it'll get priced out by genuine monetary activity. 3. OK the trend in the opposite direction is clear, but the proposed solution of filtering spam at the mempool level does nothing at all as miners can still include this stuff in blocks regardless. (And despite the fact that spam filtration is something we've always done, it's somehow now "censorship" as of spring 2023). 4. OK filtering actually works extremely well and is basically forcing some BitVM schemes to use fake pubkeys instead of OP_RETURN which - for the sake of *maybe* preventing a few KBs of UTXO bloat a year - we need to aggressively resolve *now* by forcing nodes to relay giant OP_RETURNs by breaking the datacarriersize filter in the hopes that BitVMers use OP_RETURN instead. 5. OK yes, this is total and utter submission to the attempts to optimize Bitcoin for data storage as opposed to monetary activity as per every other meaningless crypto but hey, we are just Bitcoin Core and you can run something else if you don't like it - isn't open source wonderful?! 6. OK if large numbers of Bitcoiners actually start running something other than Core we'll simply ignore the message being sent loudly and clearly - that a growing % of people running nodes have no interest in becoming free relays for spammers and miners and that in a sane world, the default implementation puts the priorities of monetary users above scammers and even miners. 7. OK we will invoke disaster scenarios that must come from spam filtration - centralized mining, bad fee estimation, poor block propagation - combine with other fear tactics about "Knots being maintained by one guy". 8. Respond to all debunking of the above disaster scenarios with simple assertions that those who disagree "occupy something other than reality". Rest on laurels of deeply established trust of Core that it is extremely painful for people to question. Contrast all this with the "filter-boi" side which have not needed to twist themselves into Knots trying to justify the unjustifiable - 1. Spam filters work, they optimize Bitcoin as a payment network rather than a generic database. 2. If you let filters fall into disrepair or maliciously break them then Bitcoin fails the same way cryptos always do - nodes become an abused and disregarded commons while we pretend we're decentralized.
View quoted note →
I just started leaning into this rabbithole. https://cryptoslate.com/the-battle-between-bitcoin-core-vs-knots-is-getting-ugly/ Seems to have a good take. I am not sure if it covers the whole problem. But seems to me as if #knots try to restrict Bitcoin usage to monetary transactions, while v30 wants to open the Blockchain to whatever use. More anarcho-based. I am happy to be corrected.
https://medium.com/@igorflush/bitcoin-knots-vs-core-how-the-node-wars-could-influence-btc-price-38ece664adcf And in this other article I started reading it is more about the filter abilities. I am not quiet sure, if this is about the same problematic, brought by different perspectives. But to me it seems a way, that Knot nodes are kind of acting like Nostr users, which decide themselfes to filter transactions by their preferences, while in core, the filters are more predefined by the code, with less costumization. So to me it seems, as if Knots gives more free market tools to nodes.
Jay's avatar Jay
Bitcoin Core vs Knots: An Objective Look
This article is an objective, AI-assisted analysis of the differences between Bitcoin Core and Bitcoin Knots based on the actual code-bases. Bitcoin Knots is a modified version of Bitcoin Core that is currently the center of no small amount of controversy. The purpose of this piece is to inform the reader about this subject and cut through the emotional, subjective noise surrounding the debate.
Read article →