Thread - Nostr Hypermedia

ODELL 🛡️ 7 months ago

primal is unique among nostr apps in that it relies on a super relay: a caching server the caching server pulls notes and events from all known relays, the app then reads from the server rather than relays directly this setup provides both performance and privacy improvements users do not have to trust the caching server with message integrity because all events are signed but users do trust the caching server to show all events similar to traditional relays, anyone can run a caching server, users can easily change which server they use in settings the caching server is not used when broadcasting notes, broadcasts are sent directly to relays chosen by users the primal stack is open source, anyone can verify, run, or modify the code without permission nostr identities are transportable, all users can use any nostr app at will and are never locked in to primal

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Replies (26)

Laser 🛡️ 7 months ago

People get confused by the mere presence of server and think centrization, not connecting that censorship can be performed directly on any #Nostr client itself. Full stack clients like #Primal are going to leave UI-only clients in the dust. nevent1qqsdxjenj5fp5rr0k28ntuyzwugeuw62a6h8hmy8zkn7wu7a5nhqmhcpr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuam9d3kx7unyv4ezumn9wspzqdtgwhlaw2dsdm45c8t6wzslw5qyt5r8waxjrs86llj272ledghgqvzqqqqqqy2guuqc

npub1drys...wfpc 7 months ago

↩ replying to Laser

I was thinking about it, yeah based on the description in the note, I’m not sure what control Primal has over notes users can read, but users have the ability to post to whatever relays they want so in that direction can’t be censored.

npub1drys...wfpc 7 months ago

Thanks for the explanation.

shortwavesurfer2009 7 months ago

The only big downside for me is that Primal does not have the ability to enter SOCKS 5 information into the app, so I can't use my Tor proxy, for example.

ODELL 🛡️ 7 months ago

↩ replying to shortwavesurfer2009

would be awesome to have tor built in to the app and/or some kind of trust minimized vpn

sudocarlos 🛡️ 7 months ago

↩ replying to ODELL

Partner with @npub1dd9z...xe7p and do oblivious http

sudocarlos 🛡️ 7 months ago

↩ replying to sudocarlos

Lol never mind. The point of that is you dont know the destination which they would 😅

npub18lmy...99uz 7 months ago

I KNEW @primal was Special! 👍🏻

Silberengel 🛡️ 7 months ago

I don't get what functionality this adds over just using an aggregating relay. Is it because it also caches the media and displays the cached version? Or something like that?

the axiom 7 months ago

↩ replying to Silberengel

they can compute a feed on the server and promote content they want

vinney...axkl 🛡️ 1 month ago

↩ replying to Silberengel

ordering of posts

casey 1 month ago

You forgot the part where the filtering, blocking and image swapping takes place at that caching layer.

₿k 🛡️ 1 month ago

This means Primal can ban any users it finds unfit?

ODELL 🛡️ 1 month ago

↩ replying to ₿k

primal cannot ban users the caching sever can block content from being seen but cannot block broadcasts users can easily switch caching server in settings menu or use a different nostr app

casey 1 month ago

↩ replying to ODELL

What he means is they can’t ban users from the real Nostr. But they can censor everything you post from being seen in the Primal app. The words are very specific.

npub190mn...ywk0 1 month ago

“nostr identities are transportable, all users can use any nostr app at will and are never locked in to primal” This is the power of nostr. Not the client. View quoted note →

vinney...axkl 🛡️ 1 month ago

Can primal end-users simply skip the caching server (rather than "run their own", which is nontrivial and non-free)?

ODELL 🛡️ 1 month ago

↩ replying to vinney...axkl

nope but its something we are looking into ideally more people run caching servers so users can switch without having to run their own of course users could always use a different nostr app if they want to read from relays directly

vinney...axkl 🛡️ 1 month ago

↩ replying to ODELL

There are some notes from people saying the economics for running a caching server don't work out as a value-add on its own. > of course users could always use a different nostr app if they want to read from relays directly 🫡 the best part of the protocol.

ODELL 🛡️ 1 month ago

↩ replying to vinney...axkl

> the economics for running a caching server i think its a similar argument to running relays and there are many non direct benefits from having a more complete view of the network

vinney...axkl 🛡️ 1 month ago

↩ replying to ODELL

I can run a relay nearly for free and with 5-10 minutes of up front attention. In fact that's exactly how my personal relay came to be: investing a small handful of minutes adding it to my existing docker collection. What are some of the benefits of having a more complete view of the network?

npub18lmy...99uz 1 month ago

Another Argument towards why I tried others but @primal stays my App for Nostr. Great usability!

Bangarangg 1 month ago

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protozoan numbness 1 month ago

↩ replying to Bangarangg

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Bangarangg 1 month ago

↩ replying to protozoan numbness

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protozoan numbness 1 month ago

↩ replying to Bangarangg

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