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Apple Confirms Governments Using Push Notifications to Surveil Users "In this case, the federal government prohibited us from sharing any information. Now that this method has become public we are updating our transparency reporting to detail these kinds of requests," Apple said in a statement.

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Apple Confirms Governments Use Push Notifications to Surveil Users

Unidentified governments are surveilling smartphone users by tracking push notifications that move through Google's and Apple's servers, a US senat...

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Nice and Kind Vic 🛡️ 2 years ago

If you havent read the linked article, do so now. View quoted note →

npub1dq0v...yffq 2 years ago

"The data is said to have been used to attempt to tie anonymous users of messaging apps to specific Apple or Google accounts." View quoted note →

npub1hryy...6ggh 2 years ago

Disabling All forms of notification except for app icon badges should sidestep this privacy vulnerability, no?

npub1294d...fjul 2 years ago

↩ replying to npub1hryy...6ggh

That wont work. In order to get badge you have to give Apple notification permission first. After that those toggles will just filter what you see, not what Apple will see.

FreeFlight ✝️ 🗽🇺🇸 🛡️ 2 years ago

↩ replying to npub1294d...fjul

DeGoogled phones don't have Firebase push. Makes life a little rough, but do what you gotta do. Telegram and Signal get notifications regardless. Amethyst now has Unified push capabilities. You can host Unified Push on your own Nextcloud. Nextcloud Services app on Andrpid can poll your server every 5 seconds or so. This seems to be the only way to get your self-hosted Nextcloud Talk to get notificatipns.

npub1294d...fjul 2 years ago

↩ replying to FreeFlight ✝️ 🗽🇺🇸

For sure. No Google services on my phone. Wont stop the people I message from having their nitification with Google or Apole though. It wont really matter what we do if others dont as well.

FreeFlight ✝️ 🗽🇺🇸 🛡️ 2 years ago

↩ replying to npub1294d...fjul

True. I've been saying this for a whole. Having a DeGoogled phone is like being the only person in a swimming pool not pissing in the water while everyone else is peeing.

npub1294d...fjul 2 years ago

↩ replying to FreeFlight ✝️ 🗽🇺🇸

Also Google Tensor closed source....

npub1hryy...6ggh 2 years ago

↩ replying to FreeFlight ✝️ 🗽🇺🇸

Nokia flip phone it is then lol

FreeFlight ✝️ 🗽🇺🇸 🛡️ 2 years ago

↩ replying to npub1hryy...6ggh

The new flip phones run Googled Android, and even if it don't, if they have Bluetooth and/or hot spot the Google and iPhones will detect them and report your location to Big Tech

npub1hryy...6ggh 2 years ago

↩ replying to FreeFlight ✝️ 🗽🇺🇸

Hmm, maybe just having your family all have satellite phones then? Honestly it seems like you basically have to take yourself back to the stone age to enjoy the privacy that people in the 80s used to enjoy

FreeFlight ✝️ 🗽🇺🇸 🛡️ 2 years ago

↩ replying to npub1hryy...6ggh

Some Linux phones have physical switches for bluetooth, wifi and cell modems.

ScarcityFightClub 🛡️ 2 years ago

This is the type of thing that gets normies to pay attention. Tell a friend or family member. View quoted note →

AJ Nobody ⚡🏴 🛡️ 2 years ago

FML with these tyrants. I wanna be a hermit with a satellite node and no phone.

cuban 🛡️ 2 years ago

Just another reason to use graphene View quoted note →

BitLo 🛡️ 2 years ago

We live in a Kleptocracy.

Laser 🛡️ 2 years ago

Join me on #GrapheneOS. View quoted note →

npub15kqy...4m75 2 years ago

apple itself is surveillance machine just like Google none of these tech companies can be trusted better get a pixel and flash it with graphene os, only way to go

npub1294d...fjul 2 years ago

↩ replying to npub15kqy...4m75

And use Googles closed source Tensor chip?

npub15kqy...4m75 2 years ago

↩ replying to npub1294d...fjul

"better than ur avg android or ios" Its based on your threat model if ur threat model is directly from govt then better avoid a phone or build one yourself 😊

npub1294d...fjul 2 years ago

↩ replying to npub15kqy...4m75

For sure. Anything online isnt private. Its weird though, people saying degoogled phone while using a googled phone. 😂

npub15kqy...4m75 2 years ago

↩ replying to npub1294d...fjul

ok sure bro :+1

npub1294d...fjul 2 years ago

↩ replying to npub15kqy...4m75

What did I say incorrect?

npub107ht...g2w8 2 years ago

Another reason to move away from Apple. Imagine how many other unknown surveillance programs we aren't aware of. #surveillance #privacyisaright #privacy #opsec View quoted note →

npub1tsnw...qef2 2 years ago

They look more suspicious to me revealing a secret.

npub1k4ha...rca4 2 years ago

Screw this go graphene OS View quoted note →

npub1k8u5...znyl 2 years ago

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TheGrinder 🛡️ 2 years ago

I don't understand why people (Bitcoiners in particular) still hold on to their iPhones. Constant gatekeeping, surveillance, incompatible with our lifestyle but hey... they're cool and so "convenient".

npub1294d...fjul 2 years ago

↩ replying to TheGrinder

Probably because Android is no better and GrapheneOS still uses Google Tensor closed souce bs. They ALL suck!

Michael S Wildcard ✨ 😶‍🌫️🗽⚡ 2 years ago

↩ replying to npub1294d...fjul

Wow I didn't know that. So a degoogled phone is still tracked by Google? I was going to get a new phone in 2024 that is degoogled.

TheGrinder 🛡️ 2 years ago

↩ replying to npub1294d...fjul

I don't know. At least with Graphene I don't constantly have to find workarounds for living my lifestyle. It seems obvious that Apple will always gatekeep against Bitcoin or other "freedom tech" software and of course they'll continue working with the Government(s).

npub1294d...fjul 2 years ago

↩ replying to Michael S Wildcard ✨ 😶‍🌫️🗽⚡

Exactly. Everyone that uses GrapheneOS likes to ingore closed source Tensor chip it runs on. You cant degoogle with a Pixel. Its not possible.

npub1294d...fjul 2 years ago

↩ replying to TheGrinder

Right but your GrapheneOSS is running with closed source Tensor.

Michael S Wildcard ✨ 😶‍🌫️🗽⚡ 2 years ago

↩ replying to npub1294d...fjul

Interesting thread... Seems that it's mainly software to worry about? Isn't doing grapheneos better than what I'm currently doing (standard Droid on Google)

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npub1294d...fjul 2 years ago

↩ replying to Michael S Wildcard ✨ 😶‍🌫️🗽⚡

I think the hardware is the dangerous part. The software isnt running on open hardware. Tensor is closed source. Degoogled phones are not degoogled.

TheGrinder 🛡️ 2 years ago

↩ replying to npub1294d...fjul

Yeah. We need a pleb phone.

npub1494r...zmp0 2 years ago

↩ replying to npub1294d...fjul

^This. If anyone thinks Tensor wouldn't come with built in backdoors, they probably don't remember when Qualcomm was caught doing just that in Samsung Galaxies.

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That said, mass surveillance is automated, and replacing the phone's operating system will mess with the spooks' workflow big time.

TJ.III 🛡️ 2 years ago

why: notifications disrupt focus on other peoples terms. leaving notifications off empower when to engage. always has. wtf: .gov exploits notifications to surveil and $goog & $appl obliged. action: peel back fiat peace-by-piece View quoted note →

Indonesia ⚡ Lea Octaviani 🍊 🛡️ 2 years ago

@npub19dn7...wja7 @yoiyok @npub1satg...zplw "A source familiar with the matter confirmed that both foreign and U.S. government agencies have been asking 𝐀𝐏𝐏𝐋𝐄 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐆𝐎𝐎𝐆𝐋𝐄 for metadata related to push notifications. The data is said to have been used to attempt to tie anonymous users of messaging apps to specific Apple or Google accounts." "Earlier this year French developer David Libeau said users and developers were often unaware of how their apps emitted data to the U.S. tech giants via push notifications, calling them "a privacy nightmare." View quoted note →

npub1fs58...rj3e 2 years ago

if you use a proprietary product, you are the product and their sockpuppet. View quoted note →