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Very useful thank you 🙏🏽

I see in your future that VPN connectivity is blocked from being used in X

That's the great thing about Mysterium, you're exiting through a random persons home broadband connection 😂

And what prevents building a list of all of these exit nodes

Because they are constantly changing. They are home broadband connections with constantly changing IPs, providers and users. And there are typically over 20,000 available at any time out of around 100,000 providers.

Constantly changing doesn’t mean someone can’t automate the process of detecting and marking them. Not to mention if such a practice happened it would severly hamper the experience of the node hosters, forcing them to shut down or deal with bad experience.

Also You don't know what the exit IP is until you connect to it. You need to spend $MYST to connect to it. To build even a current list of available exit nodes would cost thousands of dollars. You'd need to do that every few hours to keep it current. You'd need an army of bots spending thousands of dollars of $MYST to capture that data.

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Lots of bots connecting to your node would make you a fortune, not force you to shut down 😂

A node is a raspberry Pi, you don't get a bad experience as a node operator, you just get money 😂

It's great isn't it 😂

IPs don’t shift as rapidly as you think. Usually nodes go down/up based on if for example the owner is awake. People that want to build lists can ignore nodes they already saw in the last 6-24h. And they would have a lot of $$$. After negative reviews start rolling in more people would shut down their nodes. Each node they can find and make life hell for is another node that they won’t have to worry paying again.

And the node wouldn’t work for end users either, so you would actually see your pay drop because they can’t get around blocks with it anymore. This would then drive users to complain and make the situation even worse.

You telling me, an ISP and data centre founder and owner what I think? Really? Negative reviews? You think there are reviews, you think there is information. You haven't understood anything. It's decentralised, with zero knowledge, nobody knows anything. Try to understand how it works before you tell me what's wrong with it, otherwise I'll be forced to adapt this meme to MYST 😂

You don't understand anything

Each node has an ID. Someone that wants to build a list could connect to each node every 48h and pay a fee. Sure, you earned say 20 cents. What happens next is your node stops working for what people want it for. So people stop using your node, decreasing your total income. As this becomes widespread, people stop using Mysterium in general, and no one wants to use it because everyone has bad experiences. There are companies charging 6-digit sums per customer for IP data, and you think that this is too much for them.

Node ID's, 20 cents 😂 Study it, don't make wrong assumptions.

When you open up the list of nodes you will see that each node does in fact have an ID.

Study it, stop looking at the surface. It's not what you think it is. Not even close.

Imagine a nocoiner telling you why governments can shut down Bitcoin or why it's a ponzi or how it's boiling the ocean. Then remember how deep the Bitcoin rabbit hole goes. Mysterium is not at the same level, but it is a rabbit hole that is worth a few months of your time studying if you're interested. If not, then have fun staying centralised with your VPN

Bitcoin works even when everyone is censoring it as long as you and your recipient use it. The asymmetry is on the side of the users. Mysterium’s value proposition apart when the target website blocks it. To block Mysterium takes a sum of cash any company can easily find. This then leads to node earnings dropping. Operators spend more time for the same earnings. Users get frustrated as they have to try multiple nodes to find one that works. The asymmetry is not on the side of the users.

Stop talking, start studying.

You have still not provided a reasonable counter to my arguments beyond “just study it”. If you make claims, you show proof. The proof is there for anyone with common sense that it is an uphill battle for any (decentralized) VPN to bypass blocking.

Yes, “If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.”

There are 2 cases. Either this is in fact revolutionary, or that it is bullshit. You have shown nothing that makes me even slightly lean towards the former.

I'm pleased for you 😂

You were in ISP?!?? Shhhhiiiieeeeetttt.

Yes, from 1989 - 2002 (although mostly data centres) I still own some companies, but I'm no longer involved day to day. https://mikehardcastle.com/about-mike-hardcastle/

So not at the 1993 DMC World Finals? Shame, that was a great set.

Maybe I was, maybe I wasn't. If you can remember being there, you probably weren't there 😂

If you are genuinely trying to understand and wondering why I've given up discussing it, we may have a cultural or spectrum clash. My view of the world is if you don't understand something, you ask questions, or at most humbly suggest possibilities, you don't tell an relative expert how the thing you don't understand works and expect a civilised response. Telling a founder of the commercial Internet they may not understand how often IPs are changed is probably not a wise tactic if you wish to engage me or seek information from me. Telling me how Mysterium works after a cursory look at the website or interface is probably a bad idea. Asking me if you understand something correctly after a quick inspection is a much wiser approach and will incentivise me to provide help and support. This feedback may help you engage others more successfully in the future. I wish you well 🫂

“we are always happy to hear from interesting and challenging companies.” Well im extremely challenging company.

I'm happy to hear 😂

This response makes me 😁

I asked you how it would not be possible to build a list of IPs running Mysterium, and how any of the things you mentioned like nodes going offline/online throughout the day or connection costs would impede a motivated attacker. You then instead told me that I didn’t get it and that you have more experience so I must be wrong. To be humble you need to understand there is always things you don’t know or understand, and that your mental model of things may be incorrect 🫂

We've moved past that stage now. Good luck with your future.

I have not looked at the website but intuitively I feel like I think I know how this would work and it makes sense… it’s like never ending infinite ports out technically in my mind so now I have to go down this damn rabbit hole of mysterium

Yes, it's not infinite, because you have to run an exit node, but yes.

So it’s like onion routing?

No, Mysterium isn't, but Mullvad just partnered with Obscura to create an onion routing like service. I asked Obscura if it worked with Tailscale here: https://x.com/mdhardcastle/status/1949442089902547039

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We can hope

I have been here since day 1 onboarded thousands in the beginning days of Nostr, I have never stopped! I run a corporate account and plug nostr as when I can always.

Thank you for your service 😉

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